Proposal to change deer hunting in Grayson County

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Posted: 10:49 PM Jan 8, 2009
Last Updated: 6:29 PM Jan 9, 2009
Reporter: Josh Stevenson
Email Address: josh.stevenson@kxii.com

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GRAYSON COUNTY, Tex. -- It's a hot topic amongst deer hunters in Grayson County--proposed changes to Grayson County's deer hunting laws.

About 150 people turned out for a meeting about the controversial proposal to allow gun hunting of deer in Grayson county during deer season.

Currently only bow hunting of deer is allowed, and the public had the chance to give the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department their input Thursday night at Grayson County College's Center for Workplace Learning.

Those in attendance were overwhelmingly opposed to changing the current law.

"My opinion is to keep it bow hunting only" says Brock Benson of the Grayson County Whitetail Association.

Most of the hunters who attended the meeting at the Grayson County College Center for Workplace Learning on Thursday night shared that opinion, and want to keep the county gun free, at least when it comes to deer.

"Grayson County is a special place that near and dear to our hearts. It’s a special opportunity for archers across Texas to put in for Hagerman and private land and to have that once in a lifetime chance to kill that 200-inch deer."

Directors and commissioners from Texas Parks and Wildlife were at the meeting to listen to hunters and share information.

Local bow hunters argued against the rifle season saying that there just aren’t enough deer to go around.

“We live in Grayson County, we hunt the whitetail, we know the population that we hunt, and we feel the population is not big enough to warrant a rifle season," resident William Plouche says.

Hunters also added that bow hunting not only preserves the deer population, it also preserves wild places for those who do not hunt.

"You get to see a lot more deer when you archery hunt. You can spend all day watching a bobcat or coyotes or 20 deer if you are in the right spot," bow hunter David Houseman says.

Texas Parks and Wildlife commissioners will decide whether or not to have public hearing about a rifle season in Grayson County at their meeting on January 21.

TWPD will publish the public's proposals and they will be made available at a series of hearings around the state next spring. A final decision will be made by the commission in March.

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Posted by: Kenneth R. Bowers Location: Anna Texas on Jan 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM
I believe that if you allow gun hunting in Grayson County you will destroy the deer population besides I hunt Grayson county and they are not that many deer and if you allow gun hunting are you thinking of the safty of other hunters around that could get shot a lot of people archery hunt and they are a lot of gun hunters that will take a shot at a trophy deer at a great distance in hope of getting a trophy with little respect to where his bullet goes that chance of getting a trophy Buck could come at a high price like someone getting shot is that what it will take to see that Grayson county is not ready for guns? I hope not and I hope who ever is making the decision will see that for now archery is the safest way if you think the deer population is to large get with Haggerman and have them to think about a 5 day hunt instead of a 2 day hunt thank you for letting me speak my thoughts.

Posted by: Concerned Location: Citizen on Jan 22, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Charlie, it's over. It's off the agenda. Give it up.

Posted by: Charlie on Jan 21, 2009 at 08:02 PM
Resident, You failed to post where people were making these assumptions about me anyways. So I let them keep assuming and goaded them along a little bit just to have some fun with them. Hey if you are going to make unfounded statements you should be played on. I am not appologizing for it. They and you,I guess from what you have said deserved it if you are going to make statements about things you do not know are true. So yeah I pulled ya'lls leg with all that as hard as I could. I think it is funny and from as mad as some of you got did not. But, as far as this issue being over... I do not believe it is. They made a suggestion to keep it archery. The commission did not take it off the agenda yet. Sooo...... Who knows how it will go.. I am not done fighting for this yet. Have a good one and see ya'll in March.

Posted by: Happy Hunter Location: Sherman/Denison on Jan 21, 2009 at 02:36 PM
As most of you know, at the Jan. 8th TPWD Public Scoping Meeting at Grayson County College, more than 230 local residents spoke out concerning their strong opposition to the petition last year that challenged TPWD's allowance of a general deer season in Grayson County with the means and methods of harvest restricted to archery and crossbow gear only. Earlier today in Austin, TPWD staff recommended to the TPW Commission that Grayson County remain archery only. Thank you to everyone who gave their opinion on this matter and especially to TPWD and the TPW Commission for listening to and hearing the voices of Grayson County residents on this matter.

Posted by: Resident on Jan 20, 2009 at 04:10 PM
Charlie on Texasbowhunter.com, "Oh, and on the rifle season I have heard that this guy has alot of money to go with his land and he has alot of big political allies. I was told by a friend of mine that this same guy is planning on getting Collin county opened up to a short 2 week shotgun season. They say that he does not play around when he wants something. That he has a way of finding things out about people to get what he wants. I don't usually like to spread rumors, but considering the source of my information. I believe my friend." http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45062&page=3&highlight=grayson county Writing about yourself in the third person?

Posted by: Concerned Location: Citizen on Jan 20, 2009 at 08:41 AM
It's over. The people have spoken.

Posted by: Charlie on Jan 19, 2009 at 10:51 PM
To all that want a firearm season. Josh Stevenson has made his email available for anyone to contact him on. Please take advantage of this. Property owner of Grayson County: I am not "Anonymous or Gun Hunter". I sign all my posts "Charlie". I guess you did not know that I made this petition on behalf of my father in law who is a land owner who pays taxes yearly. I know alot of people think that this is about the deer of "Grayson County", but as you may know the deer belong to all the people of the the State of Texas. Whoever pays their license fees every year pay for the conservation of these animals. So it will be what the people of the State of Texas want and not just (as Leroy Says) a few influential people want in Grayson County. Leroy Sir, a fight is only lost if you decide to lay down and give up. I don't like to lay down for no one. I do not like to lose. Plus I don't think they are as influential as you or they may think they are. FIRE ARM SEASON FOR GRAYSON COUNTY!

Posted by: Hard Truth on Jan 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Hey Mork, I hope you enjoyed "bambi" dancing along with his Chippendale's dance mates.

Posted by: Mork Location: Ork on Jan 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Hey Gun Hunter & Hard Truth. I'll have you know I knew a dancer named Bambi once. She worked at the Red Dog Saloon in OKC. Chick was HOT! Save BAMBI!!!

Posted by: LIMP Location: POTTSBORO on Jan 16, 2009 at 04:59 PM
RIFLE OR BUST!!!!!

Posted by: Leroy Location: Out There> on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:44 PM
Fact or Fiction; The fire ants ate all the baby Quail. Along with the infamous Horned Frog...

Posted by: joe Location: sherman on Jan 15, 2009 at 11:39 PM
to gun hunter... stay after this idiots. they think they know so much about your way of life but don't kid your self i'll bet everyone of them owens guns and goes out of grayson county and kills deer. if none of them have ever hit one of these animals with a vehicle let me tell you this it hurts your body and your vehicle . wonder why insurance is so high. i can't understand why these people are so against thinning these animals out. stay in there and good luck with your next deer hunting trip.

Posted by: Fact or Friction Location: Grayson County on Jan 15, 2009 at 10:38 PM
By the looks of the dead animals struck by our vehicles each day ,we should be just about out of deer. We may not need to worry if we get a gun season for deer or not at this pace. Or maybe the county could go to bicycle only transportation to protect the resources... What ever happened to the quail? No one went to court over extending their lifespan??

Posted by: hard truth on Jan 15, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Sam if you shot a deer in the neck with a bow then I agree you don't need to be anywhere around a bow. If you are that bad of a shot you definitely don't need a gun in your hands either. Mork shut your punk-pie hole. It is obvious to me that you are a sissified, bi-curious, girly man that knows nothing about hunting.

Posted by: Fact or Friction Location: Grayson Co on Jan 14, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Well just one more thought on the " SILVER- SPOON CLUB " subject. Dont think that all the little bow hunters are only bow hunters. Their may be a switch hitter or two in the bunch. It is quite possible that they are same ones that have eaten on silver spoons for years & like to double dip, shooting deer in other counties with GUNS, Practice what you preach & Think before you speak, boys.Its not only your way, this is AMERICA

Posted by: Fact or Location: Friction on Jan 14, 2009 at 10:33 PM
This is a rediculous argument, It has nothing to do with safety. The reason is :It is not illegal to shoot a gun in Grayson County except a deer or person at this time. Why does Parks & Wildlife have biologist on staff, you know there are so many self proclaimed BIOLOGISTS in Grayson County now. All the media is acting like a gun cannot be used here, however, there are all these Varmit Hunts, Hog Hunts, Turkey Hunts, Squirrel Hunts, Quail & Dove, Coyote,Ducks, Geese, ? Sounds to me like a select few want to keep this to themselves just for a BIG BUCK$$!! Gander Mountain Supports a varmit huntseveral times a year, how many of those folks are using a bow & arrow??? America was based on CHOICE.. We have a Spring Turkey Season, you can shoot those with a shotgun here, NOBODY is ARGUING THAT ON THE NEWS! If Grayson County gets a gun season for deer, How many bow-hunters will continue using their bows?

Posted by: GUN HUNTER Location: GRAYSON CO. on Jan 14, 2009 at 04:19 PM
MORK'S A DORK AND LOU'S AN IDIOT!!AN TO YOU VIRGINA PULL YOUR OWN STRING. AND LEROY I DON'T BOW DOWN TO DR'S AND LAWYER'S,THEY PUT THEIR BOOTS ON JUST LIKE ME ONE AT A TIME. ALL I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT TPW WILL CREATE A GUN SEASON FOR DEER IN GRAYSON COUNTY BECAUSE CERTAIN PEOPLE WANT IT THAT WAY.

Posted by: Sam Location: Sherman on Jan 14, 2009 at 03:30 PM
I went hunting with my bow about 3 weeks ago and hit a deer in the neck and never found it. That is why I want to shoot deer with a gun.

Posted by: KXII Staff Location: KXII Studios on Jan 14, 2009 at 03:17 PM
If you are FOR Grayson County having a rifle season, please contact Josh Stevenson at josh.stevenson@kxii.com

Posted by: Lou Location: Sherman on Jan 14, 2009 at 01:46 PM
For the gun hunters, if you have enough money, a hunting preserve/ranch is being developed just north of Celeste, Six Bridge Ranch. I understand it is about 1000 acres and will be stocked with some of those inported deer. It includes some of the South Sulphur River bottoms.

Posted by: Mork Location: Ork on Jan 14, 2009 at 01:44 PM
I find it amusing that some of you try to come off like not shooting a deer in Grayson County will not allow you to feed your family. Dad gummit, I've been around a long time and I've never had to rely on a fresh kill of any kind to eat so that's just bull butter. Hey, if you want to call it a sport, let's give the deer rifles and then we'd have something maybe ESPN would be interested in.

Posted by: virginia Location: Texas on Jan 14, 2009 at 09:10 AM
Hey Gun Hunter, it sounds like you need to learn to "pull some strings".

Posted by: Leroy Location: Out There> on Jan 14, 2009 at 06:44 AM
I wouldn't mind a shotgun season. And to Charlie, who started all this mess; There are many influential people in Grayson County that bowhunt, ie., Doctors, lawyers, etc, Me thinks you are fighting a losing battle.

Posted by: Steve Location: Grayson County on Jan 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM
For all that didn't make the meeting. It was in the Sherman Democrat and on the TPW server for weeks. Almost everyone that showed rifle hunted and all but about 4 bowhunted also. So there were only about 4 people that rifle hunted only. The TPW rep's apparently had just toured parts of Grayson County for the first time. The only deer studies they had were 2 years old and only what came out of Hagerman WMA. What the deer population is in Grayson County is still unknown. The health of the herd is unknown. The range of the herd is unknown and how many deer that are harvested is unknown. I am a rifle and bowhunter and live on my property in the county. This is not gun hunters against bowhunters and be suspicious of the people who think it is. They might not be who you think they are. TPW were wanting to change the game laws due to soil types on a map, kinda like they did in the 70's on wetlands. OOPS that was a mess. They found out about the different land uses here that day. Homework 1st.

Posted by: GUN HUNTER Location: GRAYSON CO on Jan 13, 2009 at 09:36 AM
It all points to the greed of the Grayson county Bow Hunters. All animals in Grayson county (except Deer) can be hunted with a firearm. Some of you say gun hunters go out and just kill everything that walks. That my fellow hunters is poor judgement. We gun hunters have to abide by the same rules and regulations as bow hunters. For you out there that say we don't care about the environment,you are 100% wrong. I take great pride when I hunt. So to all you bow hunters that are whining why don't the state just take away deer hunting all together. That would solve everybodies problems. So to close this comment, all you bow hunters can just stick it up your quivers. Have a nice day!!

Posted by: Resident on Jan 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM
There is a reason why even early Native Americans preferred the firearm. It was much more efficient. Firearms offer a higher frequency of shooting opportunities and require a lower frequency afield. In short, a firearm allows a hunter of any level a much great probability of a kill than with archery equipment given that frequencies of all aspects of a hunt are the same. A firearms season would not be good for Grayson’s deer herd. Archery is one of the least efficient forms of harvest available to modern hunters and it has been embraced by Grayson County sportsmen, women as well as youth hunters. Archery allows for a high degree of hunter participation while producing a harvest that is commiserate with the whitetail’s mediocre population within the county. The current regs have worked very well. Why change it? Archery is the right harvest tool for application of a management plan in Grayson County.

Posted by: Property Owner Grayson County Location: Denison on Jan 12, 2009 at 06:45 PM
Anonymous (C.H.) I guess you could call me a sissy boy (since I am female) but I'm not city! I am born and raised in the country and that is probably why I respect the land. There are lots of things you starving people can eat in the meat group besides deer! How about a wild hog? Ever had snake, squirrel, or maybe even a possum? There seems to be an overpopulation of rats! Gun Owner, just because you own land does not give you an all exclusive right to do what you want just like people who own homes in the city cannot do whatever they want. That is why we have laws that we must follow, or pay the consequences.

Posted by: mama Location: redneckville on Jan 12, 2009 at 01:47 PM
If we are so over run in deer population, why are there 1100 registered deer breeders in the state and why are deer being smuggled into Texas from Wisconsin? There is quite a risk of nasty diseases coming in from other states with this type of smuggling.

Posted by: bubba redneck Location: sherman on Jan 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM
GO ahead and hunt on your land using a gun in Grayson county..you are allowed to protect your land from distruction from animals...just say those mean ole deer were using their horns to scrap up and down your trees peeling the bark off and killing them

Posted by: Gun Owner on Jan 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I just think it's ridiculous that I can't shoot a deer on my OWN land for food. Who the hell are you people to decide what I can do on my own property?

Posted by: Anonymous Location: TARRANT on Jan 12, 2009 at 11:19 AM
TO GRAYSON COUNTY LAND OWNER: YOU MUST BE A CITY SISSY BOY. GOD PUT THESE ANIMALS ON THIS EARTH TO EAT. WITH THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS GOING WE ALL MAY BE HUNTING BY ANY MEANS TO SURVIVE. HAVE YOU AND PETA BUDDIES EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT????

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 12, 2009 at 08:59 AM
How bout shooting some stray dogs first

Posted by: Grayson County Property Owner Location: Denison on Jan 12, 2009 at 08:47 AM
(Continued) There are not enough deer in Grayson County to support gun hunting at this time! All of you people who are saying the bow hunters are not being fair to the gun hunters are just a bunch of whiners! Go somewhere else and hunt with your guns or learn how to hunt with a bow. It is not that difficult to figure out. And for the record Charlie, you might want to be careful what you say on these posts because the person who told you that there are a lot of people readings these posts is correct and you have already told everyone that your family owns approx. 1500 acres in Grayson County. I do not think there any many people in area with that much land. There are several websites where you can go and look at maps of the land in the County from the air and you can zoom in on the land. For you to threaten "poachers" after bragging about the large deer on your family's property (that you are going to kill in a couple of years so you can mount him on your wall) is just ignorant.

Posted by: Grayson County Property Owner Location: Denison on Jan 12, 2009 at 08:40 AM
Charlie, have you ever thought that no one wants to hear your side? Maybe that is why KXII did not write anything about your feelings about all of this since you do not LIVE HERE! Stay in Tarrant County and gun hunt there and leave us alone. It seems to me the bow hunters and community members who are against gun hunting at this time know what they are doing as far as deer management in our County. I am not a bow hunter nor am I a gun hunter. I love wildlife and would never kill an animal unless it was either suffering or trying to attack either myself or my family. However, I do know enough about wildlife to know they need to be managed because of the actions of people and the impact that we have on the environment. There are simply not enough resources around here for a large number of deer to survive without causing problems to the community and to the deer. How many times do people have to tell you that?

Posted by: Corps land operator Location: south shore of lake texoma on Jan 12, 2009 at 07:36 AM
The decision to change to gun hunting should be left as it is now with bow hunting only. I operate a lease of corp land and to have folks with high powered rifles on land shooting at what they think might be a deer only to not be or if it is and to miss and then to endanger my guest is a major concern. Grayson county is to populated to have rifle hunting. Rifle hunters keep going where ever you go now out of county!

Posted by: ed Location: Sherman on Jan 12, 2009 at 06:25 AM
I think we should just kill all wildlife.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 11, 2009 at 04:11 PM
Residents from varying backgrounds do not support any change to the existing regulations. We've heard both sides of this and the community has spoken. No changes.

Posted by: BIG DADDY Location: JAMESTOWN on Jan 9, 2009 at 10:15 PM
I like smackin'em with my big buick 225 it kills'em and tenderizes them at the same time!!!

Posted by: Charlie on Jan 9, 2009 at 09:53 PM
You know I am a little disappointed that the story and video only showed the bowhunters feelings. Why was the firearm hunters point of view not represented in this story KXII? Where was my speech or the other gentlemen that were representing the pro-gun side of this proposition? KXII please feel free to contact me if you would like to hear from the person who originated this petition for a regulation change.I believe ya'll have been reporting from a one sided perspective. THank you.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: sherman on Jan 9, 2009 at 08:12 PM
If the bow hunters are so worried about the population of the deer then I guess they need to just put a stop to hunting for a few years in Grayson to let them get back to where they should be. But then I am sure they change there minds about the gun law then .

Posted by: Resident Location: Sherman on Jan 9, 2009 at 07:26 PM
Read about the date in Lone Star Outdoors, KXII and the Herald Democrat on several occassions. Phillip it's Friday. Be happy.

Posted by: philip Location: sherman on Jan 9, 2009 at 04:29 PM
the monopoly that bow hunters have long enjoyed needs to be hung from a tree and skinned alive. who are these elitist hunters? i've never heard so many grown men cry.

Posted by: Frank Buck on Jan 9, 2009 at 02:19 PM
What would The Motor City Mad Man say.........Thats Ted Nugentfor all of you who dont know.....

Posted by: KILLEM & GRILLEM Location: GRAYSON on Jan 9, 2009 at 02:14 PM
In my opinion Grayson doesnt have enough areas in which to hunt. The Corp land thats available is too small.There will be too many irresponsible hunters carring guns which will likely end up with an accident.The deer population seems to be high in Grayson but I think its because the population of people is increasing and that pushes the deer in to areas they wouldnt normally be. Land owners who lease the land will be less likely to do so with a gun season.. Those who have land themselves and hunt it will probably feel like its ok to hunt with a rifle... This is just an opinion so bring on the critisim........

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 9, 2009 at 01:59 PM
OMG........the cartoons that could come from the posts here!! LMAO!! Zyklon, you're hilarious and right! I prefer to gun hunt and enjoy having a freezer full of meat. But I really like having Grayson strictly bow. Great one, Daniel Boone!!!

Posted by: Zyklon B Location: Sherman on Jan 9, 2009 at 01:21 PM
I don't have anything against blowing animals away, I just think people should make it more fun than just blasting them from a blind. TPWD should allow rifles so we can keep the population thinned out b4 it gets out of control like in Georgia. Watch PETA get involved now.

Posted by: Daniel Boone Location: The Woods on Jan 9, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I think all ya'll are a bunch of sissys. I usually just sneek up on em and strangle em to death.

Posted by: Red Location: Sherman on Jan 9, 2009 at 11:35 AM
The TPW has the final say. If there are too many deer there will be rifle hunting whether you like it or not.

Posted by: Lou Location: Sherman on Jan 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I used to be married to a deer hunter, both gun and bow. He said he preferred bow hunting: he had more of a chance to observe and enjoy nature. I just wanted him to limit out, for the meat on the table. To Zyklon B, I always thought bow hunters were more prone to use a blind than gun hunters.

Posted by: Red Location: Sherman on Jan 9, 2009 at 11:01 AM
I like shooting a deer in the neck with a high powered rifle, and filling my freezer full of meat. I should be allowed to do this in Grayson County. I spend the same amount on hunting licenses just like everyone else.

Posted by: Observer of the Obvious Location: Texoma on Jan 9, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Wow, KLM, I didn't even know deer could get driver's licenses to cause all of those accidents!

Posted by: Bambi (as played by OOTO) Location: The forest of your imagination on Jan 9, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Zyklon, you slay me!

Posted by: Leroy Location: Out There> on Jan 9, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Gun Hunter from Grayson County, You have been reading the wrong paper, because I READ it in the Herald Democrat last week! KLM from OK; That $1.1 million you speak of, sure as heck isn't in Grayson County! I have heard of some being hit, but not that often.

Posted by: Garett Patton Location: Grayson County on Jan 9, 2009 at 10:20 AM
GUN HUNTER, I could be mistaken, hopefully he will read this but I do believe Lynn Burkhead, has mentioned the public scoping meeting with TPWD in his articles in the Herald Democrat. This was a chance for all for, or against to show and speak there concern, we ( the opposed) didn't cheat anything, we are very strong in numbers of hunters and non-hunters alike and chose to stay informed as a group on this issue as you can rest assured we will continue. Garrett Patton Grayson County Whitetail Association

Posted by: Ralph Location: Denison on Jan 9, 2009 at 09:41 AM
I don't have a dog in this hunt, but in response to "Gun Hunter", I read a column in last weeks Herald-Democrat that mentioned this scheduled meeting. Normally, I would not have read that column, but there wasn't much else to read.

Posted by: Zyklon B Location: Sherman on Jan 9, 2009 at 09:02 AM
Most gun deer hunting is so unsportsmanlike. A hunter sets out a feeder, feeds Bambi all year long, then sits in a heated blind in a padded chair sipping his latte and blasts the poor deer when it comes by for its daily meal. Where is the sport in that? Then Joe Bob the deerslayer brags about how he bagged the deer. Archery is much better and has greater bragging rights, but most deerhunters are too out of shape to even draw the string back.

Posted by: OOTO Location: Texoma on Jan 9, 2009 at 08:47 AM
Support your right to arm bears!

Posted by: KLM Location: Not so stupid in Ok on Jan 9, 2009 at 08:10 AM
I dont understand what all the fuss is about? With the increasing number of car accidents and death's due to deer/automobile accidents, I would think this is just common sense? Help thin out the deer population, and decrease the number of death's annually. They (deer) are responsible for 1.1 million dollars in car damage. Common sense tells me that insurance cost go up because of this? Not to mention the over 200 death's a year caused by this animal. Why wouldnt thinning out this nuisance with a gun/rifle season make sense to Grayson County...

Posted by: Mork Location: Ork on Jan 9, 2009 at 07:56 AM
The people have spoken....

Posted by: GUN HUNTER Location: GRAYSON CO, RESI on Jan 9, 2009 at 07:40 AM
THE ONLY PUBLIC THAT SHOWED UP AT THE MEETING WERE BOWHUNTERS ONLY. THIS MEETING WAS ONLY ADVERTISED ON THE TPWD WEB SITE. OUR NEWSPAPER AND TELEVISION STATION NOT ONCE MENTIONED THE MEETING AT ANYTIME. TO ME THAT IS UNFAIR AND BIAS. SO IF TPWD KEEPS GRAYSON COUNTY BOW ONLY YOU CAN THANK BOWHUNTERS FOR CHEATING THE OTHER HUNTERS THAT HAVE PROPERTY TO HUNT ON OUT OF THE PICTURE. AGAIN THANKS "BOWHUNTERS".

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