Newspaper: 11,000 gamblers banned from Okla. casinos

By: From Wire Reports
By: From Wire Reports

TULSA, Okla. (AP) - Officials report that about 11,000 people are banned from casinos and gaming centers throughout Oklahoma because of compulsive gambling.

The Tulsa World reported the numbers Monday (http://is.gd/UdprYG ) after seeking figures from tribes that have gaming compacts with the state.

The number includes people who have been involuntarily banned by casinos and those who chose to ban themselves over concerns of compulsive gambling.

Gaming compacts between the state and Indian nations require tribes to keep a list of banned individuals, as well as post notices at casinos that list the warning signs of compulsive gambling.

Mark Fulton, the chief operating officer for Cherokee Nation Entertainment, says people who are banned who try to visit casinos could face criminal trespassing complaints.

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Information from: Tulsa World, http://www.tulsaworld.com

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  • by here Location: gone on Mar 1, 2012 at 09:01 AM
    Look I have had my share of Choctaw hell its easy entertainment you either win or lose! For the people that kill themselves well they really had a problem and its up to them they need to know when to walk out I used to take 7 or 8 hundred dollars every week almost for months I did that I play one machine most of the time I got my head on and said hey I will take 100 or 150 if the machine isnt hitting its not hitting and its easy to sit and keep putting money in but you have to learn to stop and I have seen them chase people out of the Casino and I have seen them turn down people who have won jackpots! But if you put yourself on a list and you really want help with your problem the person could collect there money and then say hey guys look my pic is on your wall and you didnt stop me that shows he was wanting help! YOU STEAL TO GAMBLE YOU GO TO JAIL
  • by Kristin Location: Wisconsin on Feb 19, 2012 at 02:21 PM
    My brother filed all the papers to be banned from the WI casinos when he thought he had a problem. Within a week, he came back to the casino and was let in without a problem. When he won something, he had to register his winnings at the desk and no one said a word about the fact that his picture was right behind them on the "Protect Yourself and Others if you have a problem Board." Every person in the casino knew him and the fact that he had asked them to help keep him from entering the casino. No one did a thing to help him after that point. They took no responsibility for his addiction. It is all about the casinos wanting the money and there is no concern for the individual.
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      by just me on Feb 20, 2012 at 02:22 PM in reply to Kristin
      Why would the casino be responsible? Is your brother not of age to take care of himself?
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        by not a gambler on Feb 21, 2012 at 11:02 AM in reply to just me
        That post is so "enabling!" Casinos dont take responsibilty for the addiction, the person does...and unless he is ready to make the change...it's gonna be a real struggle for most. We are responsible for our own actions....no one twisted his arm to go in there....consequences of choices made...
  • by Mork Location: Ork on Feb 17, 2012 at 04:55 AM
    Does this mean we can't go see little wayne at the casino..........little wayne and his side kick half dollar? Firewater!
  • by Anonymous on Feb 15, 2012 at 08:10 PM
    What is wrong with you people!!!! If these old geezers want to give their money to someone other than the walk-in bathtub, stair elevator chair people, workaround without putting your feet on the floor entitlement, let 'em!The solution is to make casinos available only to the SS set, show your SS account credit on a bank statement, and you're in! Just one more reason to live to 65--practically free medical, a monthly check, and time to blow it at your whim at a tribal casino! It's the productive that fall prey to the digital acid dispensary that are causing the problem...
  • by high horse on Feb 15, 2012 at 12:42 PM
    I was glad to see a story about the side effects of casino gambling on our area, but can't help but notice that the ads for casinos that one usually sees on here are gone....any connection? I just wonder, don't know.
  • by don't believe it on Feb 14, 2012 at 01:44 PM
    The 'officials' are the public relations dept of a few casinos. 11,000 are the number banned. Many of those are counted many times at separate casinos, so the true number is no doubt considerably lower. According to one tribe, half of their number are self banned persons, the other half are some number of compulsive gamblers identified by the casinos, the rest are customers banned for 'bad behavior'. So how many did the tribe actually ban for detected compulsive gambling? They aren't saying. Could be zero. They say those self banned will be prosecuted for criminal trespass. How many have been prosecuted? They don't say, could be zero. It isn't many, or they would have said. The consequences of being self banned are that you can't cash out more than 1,200 at a time or they keep the cash to give to 'non-profits'. Can someone else cash out for you? I don't see why not. This is all public relations because there is increasing heat on the tribes because of the costs to the community. They'll toss out some dollars here and there, especially in areas where they can buy tribe votes and for 'appreciation dinners' for high profile people in the community, but it's a small fraction of their take. We need to revisit the casino gambling issue in OK and either end it or demand a much higher take to cover the growing costs in embezzlement, public aid, court costs, bad debts, etc. If the gamblers want to gamble, they need to pay.
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      by Logic on Feb 14, 2012 at 02:15 PM in reply to don't believe it
      I wonder if you are against the Texas Lotto so vehemently? There is a number on the back of every lotto card sold for addicts to call. Is that enough? We can hold these peoples hands just so much. Are you against Cigarettes? Alcohol? Guns? How many people you know died spitting up their lungs in a hospital bed from gambling? Casinos are not the problem. People is the problem. If you want to go after casinos, start at home. Ban the Lotto. Then ban Bingo (Flamingo Bingo!) Ban airlines from carrying people to Las Vegas. Ban online gambling. Tell Oklahoma to just shut the casinos down and bulldoze the property. Good luck with that! In the meantime I will continue to indulge in Texas Hold-Em twice a month until I too get old like the majority of retired people I see in the Casino. You want to point fingers at "sinners" better scout out the retirement homes! Funny how my grandma doesn't have a problem at all with Casinos and she is 85! And all her friends go. And yet she says grace at Thanksgiving which I endure politely..strange company this "sin" of gambling makes..
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        by don't believe it on Feb 15, 2012 at 06:25 AM in reply to Logic
        Stop being such a sheep. My 'vehemence' was directed at the smoke signals being blown up our collective backsides with these shallow reports that come regularly. The headline alone was a big lie. Just a minimum of reading between the lines tells you more than the lines themselves as I pointed out--with Logic, by the way. If you don't mind being lied to if it helps you enjoy your vices, be my guest. That is the casinos stock in trade---selling a big lie. Call it 'sin' if it makes you feel a martyr, I don/t care. I really don't care as long as your vices don't cost me money as a taxpayer and your fellow practitioners don't rob me blind in the hopes another tug on that lever or a push of a button will leave them rich. If you see that as self righteousness, get another angle on that mirror because you aren't looking at the right person in this argument. You want what you want and if in getting it someone else has to pay, big deal? Right? Far easier to label me as a religious zealot pointing a finger at you than it is to actually give the issue a little thought. Just one for instance--- the Chickasaws take in nearly a half BILLON last year in gaming profits. They paid the state 33 million out of that pile of cash. Does that 33 million come close to offsetting the increased costs to the community their casinos take from? I doubt it seriously. Just one of their customers embezzled over one million from state education funds. Just one of hundreds and hundreds of people charged with embezzling in OK since casinos gambling was approved--and don't forget TX which is really getting hosed on the deal. As with your fallacious argument equating tribal casinos with cigarettes (highly taxed and all goes to gov) and lotto tickets (all monies go to gov)--well, surely even a person blinded to reality as are most casino gamblers can see the difference.
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          by Logic on Feb 16, 2012 at 07:25 AM in reply to don't believe it
          So you just want more money, is that it? Casino's are fine if they just increase payments to the government am I hearing you right? If so then great. That may happen eventually. But if your argument was some moral holier-than-thou one then yeah, cigarettes, the lotto and alcohol WOULD apply here as well. Cigarettes and alcohol particularly are more deadly than gambling. I would imagine if your moral argument was sound you would go after those first. And yeah Cigarettes are taxed heavily, but does that offset the medical costs covering the millions dying of cancer across the country. Some guy with no insurance coughing up blood in late stages of lung cancer walks into an emergency room to die is that free? Who pays for that? You screaming for more money there? But believe me. If throwing more money out there will shut you up then I'm sure that will happen. And if not, then start your crusade on cigarettes and alcohol first so at least we can take you seriously.
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          by don't believe it on Feb 18, 2012 at 07:51 AM in reply to don't believe it
          @ logic--- I like the way you argue your side of an argument without being bogged down by an ounce of reasoning or fact. You are very consistent in that way
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        by what is wrong with the truth? on Feb 15, 2012 at 06:39 AM in reply to Logic
        I don't know if gambling is a 'sin'. I do know that there are said to be over 100,000 addicted gamblers in OK alone, and of those, 10 percent attempt suicide. I do know that OK went from 27th in suicide rate nationally to 3rd since casino gambling was approved. I also know that embezzlement cases have increased 72% over that time. I don't know about cases of financial devastation, broken homes, etc, but common sense tells me it's gone up considerably and some of that increase has to be due to the high number of addicted persons. Gambling may be harmless fun for many, but for some unsuspecting persons who would NEVER engage in dangerous drug use want to 'go where the high class mingle' as the ads say, are as hooked as any meth head and often end up in a similar state in their lives. And the casinos are designed with the intent to 'hook' the customer. Let's just tell the truth and not pretend there are no costs that come with all the fun and goodies and that the casinos are truly engaged in preventing addiction. It's what they do, though as with all parasites, they don't really want to kill their hosts. They need to try harder.
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        by Anonymous on Feb 15, 2012 at 10:45 AM in reply to Logic
        lOGIC, I also don't care if someone gambles, but I'm not naive about the industry. Those machines are designed to maximize the hit. The graphics, the electronics, the method of play, they rhythm of the payouts have all be studied to give the player a chemical high that is just like amphetamines. Card playing is like drinking coffee. Slots are like mainlining meth. Some people really can't control their desire to get another hit. I don't know the solution, but 'banning' seems pretty bogus to me, too. Maybe a person should be limited in how much and how often they play. If they can't stay away for a few days, that's a pretty good sign they are addicted. I know some that would try ANYTHING to get back in front of slot if someone tried to stop them. That's obviously true if you read the stories of good people going completely off the deep end.
  • by Recovering through GA on Feb 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM
    Yep, I am a compulsive gambler, I will be my entire life. I think that banning is a deterrent but not the answer. Casinos need to offer a helping hand not punish the compulsive gambler. If you are a compulsive gambler seek help at your nearest GA meeting. The majority of people that are addicted to gambling cannot just walk away. You have to have help. I hope and pray that TX does not put casinos in without getting a backup plan to help people that are addicted to gambling.
  • by Logic on Feb 14, 2012 at 07:02 AM
    Lets ban casinos. Lets ban cigarettes. Lets ban guns. Lets put plastic helmets on all our children and build rubber sidewalks. Lets become the best nanny state we can! Keep everyone free of temptation and those evil casinos. Lets build a big bubble and hop inside and just pretend the world is a nice, big happy place where everyone is Christian and morally pure. Well I call bull$#!^ We have had a "War on Drugs" since Nancy Reagan trying to keep drugs out of reach of everyone. What has that lead to? A higher prison population than China! And now its the LEGAL drugs that are out-of-control. People getting robbed for their pain pills! We are adults. We can decide ourselves to gamble, smoke, or fire a gun. We can also decide, like apparently 11,000 have done, to ban ourselves and avoid the addiction. I think its effective because once your on the list you can't claim your winnings. I think only the dumbest of people would continue gambling if they can't win! And frankly, if they are that weak, they are gonna find SOMETHING to get addicted to...
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      by Recovering through GA on Feb 14, 2012 at 12:33 PM in reply to Logic
      Yep, I am a compulsive gambler. I am not a bad person, just trying to recover. If you are a compulsive gambler, very few can just walk away. You have to have help. GA is a great program and if you need help seek out the meeting nearest to you. I hope they never put casinos in TX. I would love to ask the casinos to offer help to the people that are addicted not just ban them. I know many that are banned and still go and have never been asked to leave. They will still take your money until you have no more to give them. If you need help just ask the nearest GA group, not the casino because they are not going to give it to you.
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      by Anonymous on Feb 14, 2012 at 01:33 PM in reply to Logic
      Let's take a Libertarian look and make sure that those who choose not to gamble are not saddled with the costs associated with the practice and I'm on board. Gambling, drugs, prostitution--- do your thing. But when you crash and burn, you, your kids, pay the price, not me. If those vices are taxed sufficiently to cover the costs of all the consequences, I don't care what you do.
  • by me Location: texoma on Feb 14, 2012 at 06:58 AM
    You have to pay $200 a month to be on the ban list, that goest to pay for the extra security. We don't want the casinos to go broke. that would be bad, very bad.
  • by LYNDS Location: DENISON on Feb 13, 2012 at 06:06 PM
    BOGUS
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