Texas drops federal funding for women's program

By: By CHRIS TOMLINSON, Associated Press
By: By CHRIS TOMLINSON, Associated Press

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - Texas officials have proposed phasing-out federal funding for the women's health program through November after Washington said it was illegal to ban Planned Parenthood from participating in it.

The Women's Health Program provides routine exams, contraception and preventive health services to low-income women. Until this year, federal funds covered 90 percent of the cost. But federal officials said they would cut funding after Texas lawmakers insisted groups affiliated with abortion providers be banned from participating in it.

The Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services said federal law gives women the right to choose their health care providers.

Gov. Rick Perry has ordered Texas to cover the lost federal funding. The plan released Tuesday says the state will help the women find new providers and recruit more clinics to participate.

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  • by jack on Apr 23, 2012 at 08:23 PM
    murder your babies on your owm dime. let the blood of the innocents who have NO rights be upon your own heads.
  • by Joey Location: Denison on Apr 20, 2012 at 01:11 PM
    It appears some of you are missing a big part of this story, especially those who holler about the irresponsible among us. The bottom line here is that those among us whom you find to be irresponsible, will continue to be served by the Womens Health Program. Until now, the feds picked up most of the tab, now the State of Texas will be picking up all of it. Interestingly, Gov.Perry finds that it is cheaper for the State to enable all this irresponsible behavior by subsidizing birth control and other services exclusively with Texas tax dollars, rather than have to deal with all the unwanted, ill-supported, underfed, and deprived children that would have otherwise resulted. Whoda thunk it? Perry the enabler. I trust you find this arrangement more to your liking.
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      by Logic on Apr 20, 2012 at 05:16 PM in reply to Joey
      Expect everything from property taxes to vehicle registration to go up...
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        by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2012 at 05:00 PM in reply to Logic
        I doubt it. Look for less money to be spent there and elsewhere. Raising taxes isn't in the cards. Besides, since TX won't be getting our tax dollars returned, I'm sure we will all get a tax break, won't we? I mean, how could they justify withholding Texans money?
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          by Logic on Apr 24, 2012 at 08:41 AM in reply to
          Dude. Compare what you pay now for vehicle registration and property taxes to what you paid just 10 years ago. I still have the receipts. You WILL pay more in taxes, across the board, and will as long as the population increases, more cars go onto the roads and there are more kids in the public school system. Thats just reality. And you will pay these taxes in everything you do from buying a marriage license to paying a speeding ticket. Hunting/Fishing License. Car Inspection stickers. Ect...ALL go up and have since you and I have been alive.
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          by Logic on Apr 24, 2012 at 08:50 AM in reply to
          You want to give Lockheed-Martin that 3 Billion contract don't you? THAT is where your Texas Taxes will go...back to Texas in the form of weapons contracts and military spending. Fort Hood costs money! Or do you want a 300 dollar check? Better yet secede...and then your money will be foreign currency of NO value!
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      by Joie on Apr 21, 2012 at 04:11 PM in reply to Joey
      ...and let's not forget "our" Texas tax dollars are going towards higher education for illegal aliens. We're paying to ensure that our children are forced to compete with folks who are nothing more than (and by the very definition of) criminals. For shame, Texas.
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      by Anonymous on Apr 21, 2012 at 07:23 PM in reply to Joey
      Depriving PP of funds is worth every penny of extra costs to the state. And a finger thrown in the general direction of the Executive branch is always a plus.
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        by Woo-Hoo on Apr 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM in reply to
        And you don't think PP will get federal funds through some other program? As creative as those who oppose abortion rights have gotten in attacking those rights, those who support those rights are every bit as creative.
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          by Logic on Apr 23, 2012 at 01:17 PM in reply to Woo-Hoo
          Republican New York Mayor Bloomberg is a proud sponsor of PP, having personally donated over $300,000 to the organization. He led an example that started a windfall of private donations to the organization from the recent anti-choice legislation passed. Me and my wife donate 1,000 annually. May go up to 1,500 next year. Keep in mind that most insurance plans still cover PP, and if yours doesn't find one that will. I love how these people refer to them as "abortion mills" and point to the high-volume of abortions happening at some PP locations, but fail to consider women are now driving often out-of-state to even find a PP..or to Dallas. And thus these lone clinics get every abortion case for 1,000 miles and are then attacked as being an "abortion mill". That is the reason more and more abortions are happening down at the local OBGYN. All of Grayson Counties do as there are no PP's here. Ectopic pregnancies can be dealt with at the emergency room, of course, as always...no PP required there either.
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          by Wahoo on Apr 23, 2012 at 02:10 PM in reply to Woo-Hoo
          Support neither with my family's walet.
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          by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2012 at 04:53 PM in reply to Woo-Hoo
          Federal funding for healthcare is disseminated through the states. I just read an article that makes it likely PP is about to get hit with another undercover 'sting', this time over gender based abortions.
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          by Anonymouser on Apr 24, 2012 at 08:33 AM in reply to Woo-Hoo
          "I just read an article that makes it likely PP is about to get hit with another undercover 'sting', this time over gender based abortions" Well if a man can't get an abortion at PP then they SHOULD be investigated....
  • by @ Logic on Apr 20, 2012 at 09:15 AM
    Couldn't reply to your comment directly, but does PP have abortion mills as you described? YES, they do! Clinics where all day every day abortions are performed. How can you support them? Donate money, your choice. The claim that taxpayer dollars are not used to perform abortions by PP is a disingenuous claim. Saying they also perform services like mammograms is an outright lie. But if you support them, you are well within your rights to give them your financial support. It's even tax deductible, which is another issue but let's stick with this one.
  • by Delores on Apr 18, 2012 at 06:45 PM
    Obama says thanks. The more women voters who are targeted by the nut-jobs in the GOP, the more votes for the party that don't hate women.
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      by Anonymous on Apr 20, 2012 at 09:10 AM in reply to Delores
      You do know that females are far more likely to be aborted than males, right? You do know that a majority of women oppose abortion on demand in TX and OK, right? You do know that a majority of women nationwide, in all age groups, oppose abortion on demand? So if opposing abortion on demand is to hate women, do most women hate women? That's what the PP issue is about, it isn't the medically necessary abortion which are covered by medicaid, it's the abortion of convenience which is the bread and butter or PP that is the issue.
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      by Duhlorez on Apr 21, 2012 at 04:14 PM in reply to Delores
      How many abortions will you and your family be personally paying for, Delores? **crickets chirping** It's always great to get on your high horse and preach to the rest of us who are paying for not only the horse, but the barn and feed as well.
  • by BEA Location: MAYBERRY on Apr 18, 2012 at 09:06 AM
    The old saying"cutting your nose off to spite your face" Laws are not going to change women's hearts on the matter of abortion. Ministry does! this just knocks out help for those that need it
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      by Beau on Apr 18, 2012 at 11:37 AM in reply to BEA
      Don't care what they believe, just stop making the 47% of us that pay Federal income taxes pay for the poor decisions of the 53% who don't....
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        by Bea on Apr 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM in reply to Beau
        As if ALL your decisions have been wise, pleeze,... No one has never had to help you out financially that could have used their funds differently? I doubt it very seriously
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          by Beau on Apr 18, 2012 at 01:34 PM in reply to Bea
          I PAID for my poor decisions and they became lessons. I pay for THEIR poor decisions and we 47% become enablers.
  • by Rick Location: Bonham on Apr 18, 2012 at 08:22 AM
    Contrary to what propaganda tells you about PP, their main function is to kill a child while it is at it's most vulnerable and when a nation fails to protect its weakest members then the blood of the innocent falls on the hands of all individuals in that nation. There are many alternatives to PP for the other exams a woman needs and many times they can be had for free, i.e. see the news of today about free breast exams offered in our three counties in North Texas. Now having said this, which I know will anger some, I must address accepting (our) money back from the Federal government. It has been said that a government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have and many are allowing their freedoms to be curtailed more and more, just to get something from the government. If this continues we will one day wake up to a socialist/communist, aka progressive, controlled nation of no freedoms and you, your children, and grandchildren will never know freedom again. Needless to say I agree with our states move on this matter.
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      by Logic on Apr 18, 2012 at 10:22 AM in reply to Rick
      There are eleven doctors in Denison/Sherman that are perfectly happy to perform abortions. KXII would never let me post their names, nor should I, but you do not need PP to perform abortions. In fact, if you go to the emergency room at TMC with an ectopic pregnancy they will be happy to perform one right then and there. Regardless, there hasn't been a PP in Sherman now for awhile...abortions still available. And will be to those that seek them.
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      by Jerry on Apr 19, 2012 at 02:30 PM in reply to Rick
      Main function? Three percent of PP's services are abortions. That's a novel definition of "main" you got there...
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        by Logic on Apr 19, 2012 at 04:30 PM in reply to Jerry
        More abortions happen in your local Emergency Room than occur at Planned Parenthood!
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          by Lowjack on Apr 19, 2012 at 07:51 PM in reply to Logic
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          by Anonymous on Apr 20, 2012 at 08:32 AM in reply to Logic
          330,000--- or about 1/3 of abortions in US are performed by PP. 93 percent of abortions are for convenience. 1 percent rape, 6 percent for health reasons. It's illegal for hospital emergency rooms that receive any federal funding (virtually all) to perform abortions for any reason other than medical emergency. So, as usual Logic, you are full of it, but consistently so.
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          by Logic on Apr 20, 2012 at 11:39 AM in reply to Logic
          Perhaps I should have been more specific. Labor Induced Abortions require usually a 1 or 2 day hospital stay for the mother. So when your doctor does the procedure, it is done at the hospital...although not through the actual Emergency Room. My point is there is no Planned Parenthood in Grayson County. Abortions happen every day in Grayson County. You people can demonize PP all you want, but when Britney the All-American Cheerleader needs her abortion, she's going to her Daddy's doctor, not PP...
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          by Illogical on Apr 23, 2012 at 09:18 AM in reply to Logic
          "but when Britney the All-American Cheerleader needs her abortion, she's going to her Daddy's doctor, not PP" Which I have 100% NO problem with as it's a PRIVATE POLICY that pays that bill and the choice regarding HER healthcare is hers to make...choices about MY family's wallet, are not hers to make.
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        by Anonymous on Apr 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM in reply to Jerry
        In 2009, Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortions, from which it derived about $164,154,000, or 15% of its annual revenue. This number does not include the distribution of the 'abortion pill' and PP does not provide numbers for that specific service.
  • by Jim Location: Bonham on Apr 17, 2012 at 08:29 PM
    I'm not in favor of everything Planned Parenthood does but it is just wrong to force women to use just the providers that Rick Perry wants them to. The disadvantaged are the ones hurt in this, not Perry, not Obama, not any politician or government worker.
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      by Jimmy on Apr 18, 2012 at 08:59 AM in reply to Jim
      Funny as the insurance plan I provide to my family by PAYING FOR IT, does that exact thing by using "in network" providers. So you're telling us that a person who pays ZERO for their healthcare should have the ability to chose while my family, who are paying for ours AND theirs, should not? Nothing is being FORCED on these women. They WANT the free (or subsidized) healthcare. Sometimes FREE comes with strings....
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        by Jim on Apr 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM in reply to Jimmy
        Sometimes being POOR comes with strings..... If a service cost XYZ dollars, than the market (consumer) should decide not the government. I pay a lot for my insurance too and I don't like being dictated by the insurance company either but at least it's not the government!
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          by Jimmy on Apr 18, 2012 at 01:35 PM in reply to Jim
          YET! "At least it's not the government" yet you mean.
  • by Anonymous on Apr 17, 2012 at 04:47 PM
    What do you call a government that takes your money by force and returns it to your state only if your state spends it the way they demand even if it offends the morality of the citizens from whom the money was taken? Tyranny? Planned parenthood, the Progressives solution to the problem of 'undesirables' reproducing now has the force of the federal government behind it.
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      by Mickey on Apr 18, 2012 at 07:42 AM in reply to
      Tyranny? The last time I checked, the government takes money as a result of the democratic process, not force. Those who see it as being taken by force are those who despise majority rule. They would prefer to enjoy all the benefits of freedom, but not share in the cost unless it is convenient for them. In your case, it appears the "Progressives solution" missed preventing at least one undesirable from being produced.
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        by Anonymous on Apr 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM in reply to Mickey
        Oh, so the majority supports the current tax system? The majority in TX voted and doesn't want PP funded. So TX doesn't get their tax money returned to the state and that's democracy? Having your tax dollars taken and then returned only if the majority in your state overlook their moral objections to federal policy is majority rule? Can you name the law at the federal level that expressed the will of the national majority making such denial of funds possible, or was that a bureaucratic assumption of power? And by the way, unlike the majority in this country I paid fed taxes every year for 30 years, usually in the five figures territory and once in the 6 digits. I've served in the military and have 3 children that have served or are serving. I've done my share. As long as we're characterizing people based on little or no knowledge, you sound like you are likely a net drain, either as a non taxpayer of government employee. Not that all gov employees are a drain, but if you pick one at random, they are likely the GSA type parasites on the productive.
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          by Logic on Apr 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM in reply to
          The very military you served has squandered more money developing, testing, and ultimately SCRAPING more failed weapons systems than all the money PP would EVER spend in our lifetime! You consider that money well spent? I also pay taxes every year. Since college. Will the rest of my life. While I do support the purchase of the landing gear of a B2 Bomber with most of the taxes I will pay in my lifetime, I also support, by comparison, the cost of a pair of stinger missles, to the funding of Women's Health Services which may provide an abortion. Either way, it's gonna take the entire LIFETIME of mine, yours and probably 20-30 other people to get that B2 Bomber paid for...lets talk Weapons Contractors defrauding the government in the TRILLIONS since just 1980...its all a matter of public court records. Rockwell. Northrop. Lockheed. Grumman. Raytheon. TRILLIONS man...and you whine about this?
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          by Anonymous on Apr 18, 2012 at 03:50 PM in reply to
          First, you're comparing apples and oranges. The military is a national priority, a function of the federal government spelled out explicitly in the Constitution. That's been the case since ratification. The entitlement disaster came out of the Roosevelt era and has exceeded even his limitations on the scope that he thought proper. These are state programs that somehow came to be effectively taken over by the federal government. The federal government collects the taxes, then mandates that states obey bureaucratic regulations to receive what was theirs to begin with. I'm glad we're turning it down, but we shouldn't have to pay for other states that take our money. It's the age old argument of state's rights vs federalism and it should be plain to anyone with the ability to form thought that the federal government is wildly out of control--- yes, even the military, but that IS a function of the federal government regardless of which side of the argument you are on.
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          by Logic on Apr 18, 2012 at 06:46 PM in reply to
          @ Anonymous Apples to Oranges? So is MY taxes the apples and yours the oranges?! Anyone who would use our constitution to JUSTIFY the defrauding of our Government, i.e MY MONEY, claiming some "national priority" while trying to argue against providing a FRACTION of that cost for human health services (unconditionally since humans mean more than a bomb)has their priorities very skewed. How did you come to think this way? Seriously...can't be just Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck...Did your Dad love you? At what point did you see certain humans as useless and beneath support while supporting shady military contracts and billions of dollars in LEGAL (according to your constitution authorization clause!) thievery?
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          by Anonymous on Apr 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM in reply to
          I like how you accuse others of considering certain people worthless while arguing in favor of taking taxpayer dollars to effectively fund abortion mills. Problems within the defense procurement system hardly justifies the assumption of power by the federal government in issues that are not assigned to it. Why stop at funding abortion? Do you need a car? Here's some money! No, wait, they did that already in a spectacularly failed cash for clunkers program. You want that flatscreen but can't pay your electric bill? They got you covered on that one, too. Took out a bogus mortgage and can't pay? Not your fault, here's some borrowed money for you. You want to have sex but don't have the dollar for a condom? Here, we'll take care of you. You were too lazy to find that free contraception and have an inconvenient pregnancy? No problem, the federal government will end that problem, too. Yes, military VS all the entitlement for the irresponsible is comparing apples and oranges. It doesn't matter what either of us think, anyway. As math demonstrates the rate of acceleration of a falling object, math demonstrates the everything is doomed to be cut drastically or ended. SS and medicare may be the last to see it, but as they have been saying for decades, it's unsustainable. That word means something though most seem to forget that as they shovel a mountain of money to delay what's coming. That just makes for a higher fall and increased momentum when the bottom comes. I'll save my arguing for when the climb back up begins, assuming I live to see it.
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          by Logic on Apr 19, 2012 at 01:55 PM in reply to
          @ Anonymous What is an abortion mill and how do I support it? Are you saying that Planned Parenthood has an assembly line quantity of abortions going on? Women get more abortions from their own doctors rather than face the picketers at the PP! The "abortion mills", if you want to be so melodramatic, are as close as the friendly family practitioner down the road! You people, however, are clinging to this abortion issue as if its the last shred of humanity your party may represent!! As to the rest of your post you seriously have no idea how Human Health and Services allocates resources do you? Do you really believe that I could walk into the HHS office in Sherman and walk out with a all this free stuff? LOL..you are raging on that welfare queen today! That single image stokes all the hate doesn't it? As a result, you overlook that poor lady who's husband died yesterday...now she's got 4 kids and no income. Cost her 400 a week just for daycare to GET a job. Yeah..that lady, whoever she is, is more important to ME than this welfare queen stereotype you keep peddling.
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          by Anonymous on Apr 20, 2012 at 08:42 AM in reply to
          I don't know what party you refer to, Logic. It has nothing to do with politics for me. I don't care which party is in power because it makes little difference. Humanity is exactly my concern. As for PP--1/3 of all abortions in the US. I don't want to pay for them to be in business. As for melodramatic--- familiarize yourself with the term 'self aware'. Because I oppose a federal system that is utterly failed doesn't mean I don't care for my fellow citizens. In fact, because I care, I despise the system. I've had plenty of experience with the segment of the population that makes scamming the system their life's work. There is a percentage within the system that truly are in need and we as a society should have programs in place to give them a hand up, the more local the better. Sort of like the tornado sirens you commented on elsewhere. Local people know the needs better, blah blah blah. But this bloated, corrupt federal system only breeds generational dependence and a sense of entitlement that contributes the the degradation of morality and competence from the top of society to the very bottom. And if you can't see that, but instead choose to see political agendas, then you are helping to make that system grow and destroy lives.
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      by Jack on Apr 18, 2012 at 08:17 AM in reply to
      Well, I don't like it that my tax dollars are spent on unnecessary wars. However, I think Planned Parenthood is doing great work. So I guess we're even. Also, most people think birth control is a good thing. Especially for poor people. Preventative screening saves everyone money, so it makes sense to provide it for those women who cannot afford it.
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        by Jill on Apr 18, 2012 at 11:34 AM in reply to Jack
        Birth control can be purchased at ANY Walmart and pharmacy (i.e. condoms). They are a GREAT thing, when the one using it pays for them. Don't ask my family to condon "your" sexual lifestyle.
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          by Delores on Apr 18, 2012 at 06:52 PM in reply to Jill
          Too bad your dad didn't wear one.
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        by Jill on Apr 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM in reply to Jack
        "Too bad your dad didn't wear one." I'm sure he did as he understands personal responsibility. Too bad your comment proves that you don't.
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      by Beaker on Apr 18, 2012 at 10:28 AM in reply to
      I felt the same way about Bush's War in Iraq...even went to DC with a few MILLION others to say so...in fact every capital city in the world had millions in the street...nobody listened. I know EXACTLY how you feel...Liberals protest War. Conservatives protest healthcare. Laughable really in ones claim of divine morality!
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        by Beeker on Apr 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM in reply to Beaker
        It's because liberals don't pay for EITHER, healthcare OR wars...they just collect EIC's...
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          by Logic on Apr 18, 2012 at 03:03 PM in reply to Beeker
          I am a liberal. I pay taxes every year. Do not collect a dime from any source besides my paycheck and some investment dividends. I wonder where the tens of thousands of dollars I have paid has gone? Regardless, you trying to say only people that vote Republican pay taxes? I bet Barbara Streisand has paid more in taxes in her lifetime than all of us on this forum combined!
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        by Illogic on Apr 19, 2012 at 06:53 AM in reply to Beaker
        "I bet Barbara Streisand has paid more in taxes in her lifetime than all of us on this forum combined! " I'll bet she didn't due to allowable deductions.
  • by anonymous Location: gainesville, tx on Apr 17, 2012 at 04:35 PM
    It's a shame cuz alot of women need that and will now stop getting yearly exams including breast exams
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      by Fedup Taxpyer on Apr 18, 2012 at 08:51 AM in reply to anonymous
      Maybe liberals should have thought about that when they were railing against the Komen Foundation for defunding PP. Silly liberals can't have it both ways forever!
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        by Logic on Apr 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM in reply to Fedup Taxpyer
        People needing abortions will just go the the Emergency Room from a "fall"...there they can be done for free.
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          by Illogical on Apr 18, 2012 at 11:31 AM in reply to Logic
          and your point? I don't care about YOUR abortions, YOUR birth control, YOUR elective healthcare. Do what you want, but don't ask or expect my family to pay for YOUR PERSONAL DECISIONS...and sure as hell don't expect us to provide better healthcare than we provide for ourselves.
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          by Logic on Apr 18, 2012 at 03:39 PM in reply to Logic
          Yet you expect me to pay for YOUR wars! Apparently I have NO choice in that regard...yet you are given a choice, at least in the Republicans you elect, to deny MY money going to support programs I do support! We can flip this argument both ways sucker! Oh Well.. your federal money will go to a PP in Florida then...and a new seat in a B2 Bomber maybe...I will pretend my taxes went to subsidize a rancher in West Texas from the drought this year...
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          by Illogical on Apr 19, 2012 at 06:58 AM in reply to Logic
          "I will pretend my taxes went to subsidize a rancher in West Texas from the drought this year" Look sucker, supporting a west Texas farmer or allowing a volunteer military pilot/nav to eject from a burning airplane is, to my eyes, a better use of MY family's money than giving it to yet another "baby momma" so her poor choice can once again, be forgiven by my family's money. I don't condone the wars, but I support those who fights them. I don't eat meat, but I support farmers/ranchers. You should too, instead of supporting PP.
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          by Logic on Apr 19, 2012 at 09:08 AM in reply to Logic
          @ Illogical Your entire argument for denying funding for ANY social program is all predicated on a single, stereotypical imagine of the "Welfare Queen". But you would allow Lockheed-Martin to charge the Government 800 billion for a dozen planes and only deliver 4! THEN they only pay a 15 MILLION dollar fine and STILL keep all the money! It went to court and is on record! And there are HUNDREDS of these cases like this...Government paying BILLIONS, getting half what they pay for, then because of DEREGULATION the laws are so weak they only pay back a fraction of what they stole! I believe I would have more a problem with THAT than some lady with 5 kids!!!
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          by Logic on Apr 19, 2012 at 10:29 AM in reply to Logic
          Correction: 800 million
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          by Illogical on Apr 20, 2012 at 09:29 PM in reply to Logic
          "You are going after the fleas while the ticks get purple and fat!!" You have to start somewhere and all those "flea" bites add up quickly. Interestingly you don't seem to be bothered by all the other fraud in non-defense governmental contracts. No reason to harp ONLY on the greedy defense contractors, there's enough republican and democratic fraud to go around...16 trillion and counting
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        by Delores on Apr 18, 2012 at 06:47 PM in reply to Fedup Taxpyer
        That didn't make any sense. But that is pretty common when a right wing kook says something.
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          by Illogical on Apr 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM in reply to Delores
          How does a stereotype become a stereotype, Logic? I never said I would "allow" LM to charge that amount, just that it is a BETTER USE in MY EYES. I'm sure you DO have more of a problem with that, but I have a problem WITH BOTH examples. It's not a left-right wing issue it's my FAMILY'S wallet that is the issue...and Delores, keep quiet, adults are speaking.
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          by Logic on Apr 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM in reply to Delores
          Well when I hear you guys approach corporate welfare realistically rather than continue to deregulate our governments ability to control it, or at least get ALL their money back in court, then lets talk serious debt reduction ok? I'm not going after the women and children first sorry...
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          by Illogical on Apr 19, 2012 at 07:55 PM in reply to Delores
          "I'm not going after the women and children first sorry..." So right off the bat you're refusing to even acknowledge that there is a problem with welfare fraud? You would rather continue to keep this section of society indebted to the government (and by default yourself) for their very survival? You are doing them no favors...
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          by Logic on Apr 20, 2012 at 05:16 AM in reply to Delores
          @ Illogical How does a stereotype become a stereotype? Perception. Xenophobia. Are ALL white people serial killers, pedophiles, cannibals, sexual deviants, homosexuals and mass murderers? The majority of those are committed by white people. Guess its safe to say ALL white people act like that then right? Christian preacher's and Police have the most sexually active and rebellious children: True or false? Social stereotype or truth? All the beggars you see on the side of the road by the Sherman Wal-Mart are always white people. That mean all white people beg for money on the side of the road? I am a liberal, for instance, that supports the second amendment! How does that fit into your world view? I know a Republican that is pro-Choice!
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          by Logic on Apr 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM in reply to Delores
          @ Illogical No. I do not support a lifelong dependence of the federal government. It is perfectly appropriate to put caps on benefits. Also, I don't believe benefits should go to illegals. This is Texas. Heavily Republican controlled. If illegals are getting benefits in Texas, why would you yell at liberal Democrats? I simply support the IDEA that these programs should exist. Period. The limitations of them are not up to me. But don't pretend it's welfare that is driving up our debt! I remember in the 80's talk of a hammer costing the government 300 dollars because that was the relative amount going out to all these defense contractors. Remember Reagans little Star Wars adventure? That cost billions and nothing ever became of it! Remember the Savngs and Loan Bailout Reagan did also? Cost us billions. And we can name HUNDREDS of court cases of weapons contractors defrauding the goverment for billions. You are going after the fleas while the ticks get purple and fat!!
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          by Anonymous on Apr 20, 2012 at 07:09 PM in reply to Delores
          Because TX can't decide who does and doesn't get benefits. The Fed gov takes yer money, tells you how you can spend it or you won't get it back. Which brings us right back to the point-- a bureaucratic tyranny with little relation to democracy or relevance to the needs of individual communities. And I get the outrage about military contractors. I remember the days of 100,000 dollar toilet seats and half million dollar wrenches. But I later learned that those overages where accounting tricks to pay for top secret programs. It wasn't exactly fraud in all cases, they were lazy budget tricks to hide spending on dark projects. For instance, the ship designed and the mission to recover the sunken Russian nuclear sub was paid for with 'overages'. 'Blind Man's Bluff' is a book that shed some light on what goes on. There are still things like that going on for things I doubt most of us can even imagine. I hope so, because we might need them. If a 'meteor' or 'cosmic ray' takes out some Iranian nuclear capacity in the near future, I'll forgive some 'wasteful' spending. That is the federal government's job.
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          by Illogical on Apr 20, 2012 at 09:26 PM in reply to Delores
          "Stereotype :something conforming to a fixed or general pattern;" Do we perceive the pattern or is it a tangible object? Would you accept a different term? Shall we use "generalization"? I'm a pro-life liberal. I believe a woman have the right to chose to have an abortion, but I also believe I and my family has the right to chose not to pay for it. I believe that women have the right to chose to have multiple children with no means of supporting their prodigy, but I also believe that I and my family have the right to chose not to support their choice with our meager wallet. If a choice has no consequences, is it really a choice?
  • by truth Location: in anonymous wife's arms on Apr 17, 2012 at 04:09 PM
    We always need to fund healthcare in all forms
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      by JustMe on Apr 17, 2012 at 04:40 PM in reply to truth
      We already are. It just goes to the illegals.
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      by Anonymous on Apr 17, 2012 at 08:56 PM in reply to truth
      Trying getting a job and funding your own instead of making me pay for it!
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        by Logic on Apr 18, 2012 at 07:53 AM in reply to
        Hey! All the money you will EVER pay in taxes your entire life went towards the pilot ejection system on a single F-22 Raptor...think about that when you whine about where MY tax money goes. I, as a taxpayer, support social programs. You do not speak for us all...but if it makes you feel better, imagine all your money went to that F-22..
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          by Illogical on Apr 18, 2012 at 11:27 AM in reply to Logic
          Too bad you can only say that about 47% of the adult poulation. The remaining 53% simply don;t shoulder the burden of paying federal income taxes.
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      by Untruth on Apr 18, 2012 at 09:00 AM in reply to truth
      How much of your family's money can we put you down for, truth?
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        by truth on Apr 19, 2012 at 08:54 AM in reply to Untruth
        Whatever is needed I will also fund your education
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          by Lies on Apr 19, 2012 at 11:01 AM in reply to truth
          So we'll expect that check to be signed by "truth" or will you be stepping out from under that nom de plume?
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