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Would lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18 help eliminate binge drinking or alcohol abuse in general?

The topic is big news on the campus of the University of Arizona in Tucson on Tuesday (8/19), but school president Doctor Robert Shelton isn't buying it.

Arizona students are curious about a new petition circulating on campus, and each has their own opinion on it.

It makes sense to Shelton. He will not sign a petition, already endorsed by well-known schools like Duke, Dartmouth and Ohio State, asking lawmakers to lower the drinking age to 18.

According to a recent study, early 40 percent of college students have at least one symptom of alcohol abuse or dependence. The University of Arizona has taken proactive steps to reduce that number on campus.

Officials from the school say they are seeing positive results from its programs, and so is the Department of Education, which just acknowledged the university for its model program dealing with underage drinking.

Check out Lisanne Anderson's blog on lowering the drinking age
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Posted by: Mandas Location: USA on Sep 23, 2008 at 06:20 PM
The comments regaurding teen deaths related to drunk driving make absolutely no sense. if kids want alcohol theyll get it and theyll drunk drive. lowering the age wont create more deaths do to that because we do it all ready!! and the fact that someone said our livers arent mature enough to alcohol at 18, then why can we have cigs at 18 to mess up our lungs?? this makes absolutely no sense. if something is illegal then ill go for it. it feels good. you lower the age then its less tempting because its less of a rebellion and its not breaking the law. as mentioned earlier.. if we can buy cigs, join the military, be charged with felonies and tried like adults, have sex, move out, live on our own and make our own choices.. then why cant we drink alcohol if we can do all of that at 18??
Posted by: YOUR DADDY Location: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA on Sep 14, 2008 at 09:00 AM
WELL THEN IF YOU JOIN THE SERVICE OF OUR COUNTRY THEN DRINK ALL YOU WANT BUT IF YOU ARE NOT IN AND HAVE NO PROOF YOU ARE SERVING THE COUNTRY THEN GO TO JAIL AND GET CITED UNLESS OF COURSE YOU ARE 21? PROBLEM SOLVED NOW GO GET YOU BOOKS AND GET BACK TO SCHOOL AND QUIT WANTING SOMMETHING YOU DONT NEED TO SURVIVE IN LIFE
Posted by: zach Location: Dallas on Sep 9, 2008 at 02:23 PM
IV just moved from england to texas and being 18 i can first handly say that drinking age at 21 is worthless, infact living in both cultures (growing up where a drinking age is almost unheard of)the difference in student culture acceptence is completly different. i think that with the drinking age being so high, students are drawn to more acceable products such as canniabis. iv only been in this country a year and everyone iv met knows someone with what they call a "hook". even in every day language students like use "lingo" normaly assinged to cannibis, things like drough dank etc etc.
Posted by: Observer of the Obvious Location: Texoma on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Always nice to have an open mind, SE.
Posted by: I'm with SE on Aug 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM
SE you said it. Fozzy is an idiot. My profile of him is a 75 year old man set in his ways. He is hard headed and everything is black and white to him. His brain does not function like that of a normal person. He is close minded and a jerk. Outside of that he is all right.
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 25, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Regardless of what you think or your opinions on the subject, you are not going to change my mind. I disagree, period.
Posted by: Observer of the Obvious Location: Texoma on Aug 25, 2008 at 11:02 AM
SE: Your very points support the argument that there should be no minimum drinking age, or at the very least a lower one. Even with the laws in place, and probably more because of the laws in place, teenagers will pursue, and still have access to alcohol. Because it is taboo makes it all that more alluring. (The old teenage bravado that I remember all too well.) If a kid was to drink a glass of wine or beer at dinner from the time they were four, the lure of alcohol would be so much less. Look to Prohibition as a lesson. Alcohol related deaths spiked during that time. It is human nature to want what we can't have. This characteristic is amplified ten times when you are a teenager.
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Fozzy, after reading some of your other comments and statements on other topics I have come to the conclusion that you are not worth my time or effort.
Posted by: Fozzy Location: Ardmore on Aug 25, 2008 at 10:06 AM
WOW! you mean the law didn't keep these teens from drinking? Who'da thunk it?!?!?!? The fact is that these laws are still unconstitutional and akin to the moronic "blue laws" that allow one group of busy bodies pretend that they are making a difference somewhere. Allowing legal adults access to a legal product makes no sense. And again.. any parent can let their deadbeat kids live off of them forever.. it's their business they should not be preaching to others because the indulge freeloading. Criminalizing something like this for legal adults is just stupid and could harm a kids future with a criminal record for using a legal product that is misused by all ages.
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 25, 2008 at 08:31 AM
Fozzy, seems funny that you were making a "general statement" when I was the one right before your text that said I would rather support my kids an extra 3 years than to have it raised. To all you people that are dogging me about not wanting it raised, you can make your comments but until you work a drunk driving accident of a car full of teenagers that made the wrong choice because they were young and bullet proof, don't tell me it is ok. We can raise our kids to be up standing citizens all we want to but sometimes young adults make bad choices. Why give them the tools to make more. Everyone is so perfect and has such responsible 18 year olds, yeah right.
Posted by: OOTO Location: Texoma on Aug 24, 2008 at 09:28 PM
Hey Reva, I like the way you think. Speaking of prohibition, alcohol related deaths actually peaked during prohibition. This should serve as a lesson. When you prevent someone from something, the taboo item becomes all that much more desirable. Following this logic, the US would be much better off doing away with age limits on drinking altogether.
Posted by: Reva50 Location: Ardmore on Aug 24, 2008 at 03:00 PM
History is taught in public schools so that we can learn from that history. And history shows that the Prohibition Era in this country was a disaster. Black market alcohol was one cause of the "mob era." Alcohol needs to be legal for 18 year olds. And parents need to take responsibility for their children. Parents in European countries do so, and, as one previous poster stated, the European rate of alcoholism is much less than our own is.
Posted by: OOTO Location: Texoma on Aug 23, 2008 at 09:35 AM
(continued) The US has one of the highest minimum drinking ages globally, yet continues to have more problems with alcohol than almost any other nation. Obviously the legislation is not working. Therefore, it falls to those of us who are parents to teach our children the values we think best. Of course, that takes some real work, something that as a nation we seem to be avoiding. Do you think maybe there should be a National If You Make the Babies You Need to be Responsible for Them Act of 2008?
Posted by: Observer of the Obvious Location: Texoma on Aug 23, 2008 at 09:30 AM
SE, the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984, to which you keep referring, is an appalling piece of legislation that passed only because of the monies of several special interest groups, not the least of which was MADD. It was simply a piece of "feel good" legislation that seemed to be all the rage during the Reagan administration, and the type that should never find its way into our daily lives, just as was the 18th amendment. And like the 18th amendment, it could easily be repealed if there was a concerted movement to lower, or in fact do away with altogether, a minimum drinking age. I am still perplexed as to why Americans. who are so quick to tout their "freedoms" are so quick to give those same liberties away to legislation. Individual families should be able to teach, guide, and make decisions for their families as they see fit without the interference of government.
Posted by: Fozzy Location: Ardmore on Aug 23, 2008 at 09:01 AM
And for those who want to get rid of alcohol completely.. While it would make no difference in my life in the least. We already tried this once in this country.. how'd that work out? Other than the massive rise in crime and millions of dollars into the crime family's pockets, and people dieing from bad booze all over the place, it was a huge success! LOL
Posted by: Fozzy Location: Ardmore on Aug 23, 2008 at 08:57 AM
First of all "Bryan". I made a general statement about parent having the choice and right to sponsor their deadbeat children as long as they wish. If you took this as directed at you.. maybe you need to look at yourself. This topic and highway funding is no different than when the states decided to raise their speed limits on the interstates. And right now congress has around a 9% approval rating.. so maybe agreeing with them or vice versa makes you less than some sort of backwoods clairvoyant.
Posted by: Reva50 Location: Ardmore on Aug 23, 2008 at 07:58 AM
What I find very interesting about this story is that it is College Presidents who are requesting the drinking age be lowered to 18. As I said before, I believe the drinking age should be lowered to 18. But what would a college gain from this? I have very real concerns about the motives of these people. Can they not control their fraternities? Would love to know what they gave as their reasons.
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 22, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Fozzy, my kids are not deadbeats thank you for the rude insult-just shows what kind of intellect you truely have. Yeah my oldest went to college also and the other 2 are still in HS so don't judge me. It does not really matter anyway, if you would read up on the issue you would know that it most likely won't happen because the state highways would lose funding in penalties for having a drinking age below 21 per our Congress, apparently they agree with me. Hmmmmmm......
Posted by: what are they thinking? Location: texas on Aug 22, 2008 at 08:16 PM
Don't lower the drinking age- RAISE the age to enter the military... I just got back from Europe and have seen first-hand the 16-18 year olds in the streets drinking;we almost hit 3 teenage guys who were SITTING in the middle of the road in a small town, had a red flashing light, soliciting money...drunk as a skunk. They don't get driver's licenses til 18, but can legally get alcohol and cigs at 16. NO GOOD comes from lowering the ages... DO AWAY WITH ALL ALCOHOL ON CAMPUSES OR DORMS, OR FRAT HOUSES.And then enforce the rules in place!
Posted by: Melissa Location: Hugo on Aug 22, 2008 at 07:49 PM
My personal opinion is it needs to be lowered. I was able to enlist in the army at 17 but was not allowed to drink until I turned 21. Alcohol and tobacco are choices that everyone makes, no matter what age the drinking limit is at, those issues will still be there and with no increase because lets face it underage drinking is a daily event.
Posted by: a Location: ardmore on Aug 22, 2008 at 06:34 PM
I think it is a bad idea. I also think that they should do away with alcohol all together. There are so many innocent people that die every year because they got hit by a drunk driver. There are many marriages ruined. There are many kids that have to do without because mom and dad spent the last bit of money on alcohol. It takes people who had so much going for them. To having nothing at all. I think this is a accident waiting to happen.
Posted by: Reva50 Location: Ardmore on Aug 22, 2008 at 05:56 PM
I am for lowering the drinking age to 18. If 18 year olds are old enough to fight and die for our country, then they are old enough to drink. However, I do think if any particular college has drinking going on that creates criminal acts or danger to others, then alcohol should be banned on that campus. If they can't control it and non-drinking students are put in danger, then it should not be allowed. And one reason I believe this is because most freshmen entering college are required to reside on campus.
Posted by: Fozzy Location: Ardmore on Aug 22, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Parents have the option of supporting your dead beat kids as long as you chose to. The fact remains that the legal age of adulthood is and was changed during the draft because it was unconstitutional for those being drafted to not be able to vote to end the program. Right now the legal age is 18. Saying that they have to be responsible for everything then tell them that a legal product cannot be bought and consumed by them is daft. We cannot base the law on what some citizens choose to do. this is comparable to not allowing blacks and women to vote or blaming the shambles of the institution of marriage on homosexuals. We do not get to make choices for other citizens. If you choose not to engage in something, that is your choice, if you can convince another citizen not to do something great. MYOB when it comes to most things and the world would be a better place. My two oldest didn't live off of me after they turned 18. one joined the military and the other is in college.
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 22, 2008 at 03:04 PM
Fozzy, be real how many 18 year old kids are supporting themselves? Most still live with parents. If that is your reasoning then they should raise the age of a legal adult to 21. I would rather support my kids an extra 3 years than have drinking age lowered.
Posted by: Fozzy Location: Ardmore on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:59 AM
These drinking age laws are not even constitutional. If an 18 year old adult has to pay to live in society and is paying their own way, there should be no limits on them to access to a legal product or activity.
Posted by: bubba redneck Location: sherman on Aug 22, 2008 at 08:03 AM
yea good idea to lower it to 18....thats what we need a bunch of drunk kids runnin around the bar and startin fights...then drivin home...
Posted by: Mother Location: Whitesboro on Aug 21, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Ok I have to get my opinion in here! If they want to drink, they will find a way to get it! I was 18 once and before the drinking age changed back to 21, I was legal for a year! My opinion is and always will be, if someone is old enough to go out and fight for our country at the age of 18 then they should by all means be old enough to have a drink!!!!
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 21, 2008 at 08:23 PM
In 1984, Congress mandated a 10% penalty on highway appropriations for any state with a drinking age below 21. I don't think states will want to lose highway money just so that 18 yr olds can buy alcohol.
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 21, 2008 at 06:04 PM
Anonymous @4:40, Do you think I don't know that under age kids find ways to get alcohol?? It does not matter if they are going to get it one way or another, that is not a reason to lower it. If they wanted to they could get crack some how too, does that mean we should just make it legal? I also have a 20, 18 and 16 year old and I don't want it lowered. It is hard enough to raise them these days without adding to it before they are old enough to handle it. At least now they have the fear of getting caught, you lower it they will have free range! Crazy!! Should not even be considered.
Posted by: Amber Location: Ardmore on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:46 PM
You know wether they keep it 21 or change it back to 18, kids that are underage will still find ways to get it. I knew all the places to go when I was underage, and I had friends that were of age and had them buy it for me. It wont change anything if they make it 18 or not, there will always be underage drinking. I think it would be stupid for them to lower it. Because that would also mean the bars that are 21 and up would lower it to 18 and up because they would get more buisness. But me personally... I dont want to party with kids...
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:40 PM
to se in bryan; yes i have an 18 year old and a 22 yr old and a 16 yr old my child who is 22 was getting booze when he was 18. when my 22 yr old was 18 he was sneeky most 18 yr old are. they will get it i still say lower it, because they will get it.
Posted by: boo-boo Location: ardmore on Aug 21, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Ok, how about if you are in the military at 18 we let you drink. Every body else stays at 21. I don't think that it should be a blanket change for all. I would not want my child wasting my money or any body elses tax dollars for grants when they should be studying getting drunk and getting in trouble.
Posted by: Ronnie Location: gainseville on Aug 21, 2008 at 02:36 PM
I think lowering the age limit to drink is a great idea. Then we could all walk in the streets cause the sidewalks is where the drunk kids drive! Give me a break.
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 21, 2008 at 01:56 PM
Give me a break! Do any of you have 18 year old kids?!? There are already too many deaths from drinking and driving. Most kids at age 18 no matter how they were raised make stupid decisions sometimes. They do not understand the consequences of such actions. I can't even believe some of you would agree with this! NO! NO! NO! Keep it 21. Don't make it EASIER for our children to obtain alcohol!
Posted by: Just turned 21 Location: oklahoma on Aug 21, 2008 at 01:17 PM
I agree with alot of people on here. I think that they should lower the drinking age to 18. Honestly I drank more before i turned 21 than i do now and can go buy it when ever i want. Once that you that you turn 21 it not as fun now that you legal!! You can do everything else once you turn 18... Vote, Go to war...Buy tobacco..Get married..Graduate high school...Legally be put in jail with out cops getting permission from your parents. I say if you can do all that then you should be able to decide if you want to drink also!! When you turn 18 you are considered an ADULT and you are treated like one!! SO let them make their own decisions. On wheather they choose to drink or not!!!
Posted by: Anonymous Location: G-ville on Aug 21, 2008 at 01:04 PM
Didn't the drinking age used to be 18? Apparently someone messed that up so say thank you to them. Yes they are going to get it anyways, but I really don't want to be around the weekend it becomes legal. Every drunk teenager in the US will go out and get trashed. Then being stupid as most of us were at 18 will drive or let one of their drunk friends drive. Can you imagine for the first couple of years after this gets passed how much teenage alcohol related deaths would be on the rise? At least right now they try to hide it and most won't drive home because good parents would beat their butts. Yes I drank at 19 but from fear of my parent I would stay where I was at and not drive.
Posted by: Mork Location: Ork on Aug 21, 2008 at 09:28 AM
I'm also with Fozzy on this one - Old enough to defend & die for our country and our freedom, then old enough to drink if they wish. God bless our military (and I'll drink to that!)
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 at 07:45 AM
theyare gonna get alcohol any way so lower the age.
Posted by: Darren Location: ohio on Aug 21, 2008 at 02:34 AM
i agree if 18 is old enough to go to war buy cigs and do everything else then why not let them drink
Posted by: 18 yr old Location: sherman on Aug 20, 2008 at 10:45 PM
yes please lower it haha.i can see how the argument doesnt make much sense. we can get it no matter our age anyway....so id like to see it lowered so there are no more MIC or MIP charges we have to worry about!
Posted by: kronze Location: NA on Aug 20, 2008 at 07:54 PM
Yo, if were old enough to fight and die for our country, have sex, get married, GRADUATE HIGHSCHOOL, then we should be old enough to have liqur
Posted by: BETTYE Location: SAVANNAH GA. on Aug 20, 2008 at 06:07 PM
Just what we need. Some more drunks let loose. It's bad enough how older people get away with plenty of DUI's and now they want the teens to get on the band wagon. When these kids go off to college, it's to get a educations and this is where a lot of drunks got their start. We don't need no more people allowed to drink that can't even control their behavior.
Posted by: Mary Location: Sherman on Aug 20, 2008 at 05:25 PM
None of this even matters because it's not gonna happen anyway!
Posted by: Mary Jane Location: USA on Aug 20, 2008 at 05:12 PM
I think they should legalize marijuana too since it is Oklahoma's # 1 cash crop. Let the pot heads out of prison and make room for the white collar criminals. Tax marijuana and let the state make some money off of it and maybe pot will replace alcohol. Smoke pot through a vaporizer to take all the carcinogins out of it and viola people will be happier. Have tobacco smokers smoke their tobacco out of water pipes and that takes 90% of the carcinogins out of tobacco. What a backwards thinking bunch of people americans are. Prejudiced against water pipes and pot. sheesh
Posted by: Jerre Location: Denison on Aug 20, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Keep it as is... Lowering the age would only allow immature kids to get loaded. The present 21 age group is not responsible to the degree they should be.
Posted by: Ardmoreite Location: Ardmore on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:35 PM
I guess David Boren will be drinking it up with the rest of the college boys!
Posted by: my thoughts Location: sherman on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:31 PM
If they are old enough to go to war and fight for our country, get married, buy cigs, and go to jail, then they should be old enough to drink.
Posted by: nikky Location: texoma on Aug 20, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Kids are much more likely to drink because Hollywood and society make it appear uncool to abstain. Age has little to do with it, really.
Posted by: JMO on Aug 20, 2008 at 02:09 PM
This is great news. If it passes then Tommy C. in Sherman will only have 11 more years till he can drink.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:40 PM
DO WE NOT ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH DEATHS FOR PEOPLE DRINKING AND DRIVING???? COME ON NOW. THIS IS JUST STUPID. THATS ALL WE NEED IS FOR A BUNCH OF TEENAGERS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT LEGALLY AND KILL SOMEONE. ITS BAD ENOUGH THEY GET IT AT THE AGE THEY ARE. I WOULD NEVER WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN. TO MANY DEATHS HAPPEN BECAUSE OF ALCOHOL
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:27 PM
i agree with fozzy for once, if 18 is old enough to die for your country then 18 is old enough to drink. i have always felt this way about this topic. when i was 19 it was legal to drink.
Posted by: disagree on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:24 PM
Maybe the age to join the military should be raised since the legal drinking age is 21? Stupid? Yes, of course it is! One has nothing to do with the other! Stay on topic, The question was, "Would lowering the drinking age to 18 prevent or lower binge drinking?" I believe the answer to be NO! Education and enforcement of the rules are the only things which may help. I think colleges want to lower the age so that they don't have to be as stringent to monitor underage drinking. Most college kids would be legally allowed to drink. As far as the comment about how "other countries do not have the problems the US does with drug and alcohol abuse" Ummmmm... WHAT? Since when?
Posted by: chris Location: pboro on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:13 PM
Do you think college's are behind passing this because it would reduce the chance of legal liability from the school and put it on the kid who has been drinking in which there is an alcohol related incident?
Posted by: Me Location: Denison on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:11 PM
What has age got to do with it? If their gonna drink,they are gonna drink. It doesn't matter to them if the age is 10 or 110. Same goes with pot or whatever. If it's there, their gonna do it. Making it illegal just makes it more tempting to try something forbidden. When teenagers see adults doing cigs, pot or drinking, it makes them feel grown up if they do it too. SSSOOO... make it all legal so it won't seem like such a big deal to kids. Most states kids can legally go to work when they are 16. But because it is legal they don't want to. If going to work you had to be 21, kids would be having a fit to go to work at 16. Kids just like to do the oppsite of what ever.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:09 PM
Nest Headline: More College Campuses Opening On-Campus Pubs Money,Money,Money...MONEY. What sells better than education? Beer.
Posted by: Boo Location: Sherman on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:35 PM
It really has nothing to do with college students. If you are old enough to go to WAR, you should be old enough to drink!
Posted by: bobby Location: Durant,oklahoma on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Sounds like this president of this campus has too many drinks in his past for sure!
Posted by: Fozzy Location: Ardmore on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:14 PM
It should already BE 18! When a citizen can voluntarily join the military and go and fight for their country, the fact that they cannot legally do everything that some lesser adult can do is just asinine.
Posted by: Observant Location: Texas on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:01 PM
I doubt that it will have much impact either way. Kids still gain access and know who will sell to minors or who will get it for them. When I was in high school, we never had any trouble getting beer and the drinking age was 21. the real problem is the culture of over-indulgence in the US. Other countries do not have the problems with drugs or alcohol that we have here.
Posted by: Georger Location: Carl's Corner on Aug 20, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Let'm Drink. If we can draft them into war and try them as adults, they should be allowed to drink.
Posted by: Devlin Location: Texas on Aug 20, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Would lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18 help eliminate binge drinking or alcohol abuse in general? Are these people stupid or do they only have self-interests at heart? By lowering the drinking age, we would have an even bigger problem, its called 'trickling down effect', where you might have a 21 year old buying alcohol for underage drinkers, teens, now you have eighteen year olds buying for an even younger age. If no one thinks this happens simply because it would be against the law, keep drinking your gatoraide and continue with your idiocracy.
Posted by: Jess on Aug 20, 2008 at 11:39 AM
The legal drinking age is 21 because your liver is not technically "mature" enough to handle the effects of drinking. Lowering the drinking age is only going to INCREASE the number of alcohol poisonings and deaths, along with drunk driving, etc.
Posted by: 22 yr old Location: sherman on Aug 20, 2008 at 11:25 AM
I can't wait to see all the crazy comments for this one.
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