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Posted: 11:02 PM Aug 26, 2008
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BONHAM, Tex. -- Judy Pless was just out for a bike ride in downtown Bonham on August 13 when she was attacked by two pit bulls. After the dogs attacked Pless, they turned on an 11-year-old girl.

"I thought I was going to die. I really did, I thought I was going to die right there on the sidewalk," Pless said.

"Then after they left her, they came back to where I was and the ambulance driver looked at me and said, 'Did you see that? And I said, 'See what?' And he said that pit was right there in front of my face."

The two dogs involved in the attack have been put to sleep. They were also tested for rabies, which came back negative.

The owner of the dogs, John Hardy Taylor, is still in jail and charged with 6 counts of dog attack, a third-degree felony. Hardy is also charged with violating city ordinances.

One of those ordinances is being revised in Bonham.

"We were in the process of revising our animal ordinance, and this just happened to come on the heels of this incident which put a little but more enforcement into the animal laws we had established at the time,” said Bonham Police Chief Mike Bankston.

Bankston says they have revised the ordinance, making it more comprehensive than the old one, which no longer fits the needs of the community.

"Whenever you walk out that door, look around you, because you never know,” said Pless.
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Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Sep 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Opiniated from Ardmore: dogs are not wildlife. Wolves are, but not dogs. Are you saying labrador retreiver cannot be kept as a pet? All dogs have been domisticated hundreds of years ago. How about Siberian Husky? What is you opinion on that? Should we not keep them as pets? That is the craziest thing I have heard in many years.
Posted by: go home Location: julia on Sep 3, 2008 at 08:44 PM
To Julia-Thought you were gone...just couldn't stay away and quit jabbing at others huh??? Round 2 begins.
Posted by: Julia Location: Ohio on Sep 3, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Mr. Brown: How do you explain then all those pit bulls who have lived with their families and family's kids for years and there was not a single accident ever? How do you explain that since your theory is that pit bulls=aligators or sharks? To answer your question: I am not fighting for the rights of pit bulls to eat people. I am fighting for the rights of responsible owners who have pit bulls and who should be able to own any breed of a dog, they wish. And yes, my position is such that pit bull dogs are NOT agressive by nature! I wish you could get some sense into you, dude.
Posted by: me Location: bonham on Sep 2, 2008 at 10:14 AM
to Anon from Bonham: Please see post below from Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:20 PM ps...I'M NOT SCARED OF THEM, I just know what they are capable of doing...
Posted by: Opinionated Location: Ardmore on Sep 2, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Julia, your analogie is off by a few billion light years. A gun DOES NOT have a will of it's own. It CANNOT escape from it's owner and attack/kill someone. A gun IS an inanimate object. Why do you people think that experts tell you not to try and make a domestic pet out of a wild animal? Because you CANNOT take the wild out of them. Just like you CANNOT take thousands of years of natural instinct and hundreds of years of selective breeding from a pit or rott.
Posted by: anonymous Location: bonham on Sep 1, 2008 at 09:38 PM
You whats funny Not all Pitbulls are mean It all how there raised. I have a pit and hes never hurt anyone. And he was raised around kids so anyone bad mouthing pits need to quit judgeing the book by the cover. If the owner is a crapy owner then yeah any dog will turn mean its not just pits. they only reason ya'll bad mouth about them is because your scared of them.
Posted by: c Location: d on Sep 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Julia- thanks for playing the game...Please collect your door prize on the way out.
Posted by: Mr. Brown Location: Tishomingo on Sep 1, 2008 at 08:29 AM
Julia, is it your position that pit bull dogs are not aggressive by nature. Do you think they do not have big heads and powerful jaws and can bite with much force? Aint much difference between an aligtor, pit bull and sharks to me. That is why I am for lethal injection of biting pit bull dogs and their owners. Luckily many pit bull dogs owners recognize the potential threat their dogs presents to the public and keep their dogs away from the public. Take a deep breath and get some sense girl. Surely you are not arguing for the right of pitbull dogs to eat people are you?
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 31, 2008 at 09:05 PM
What a macho man you are C from location D. I am done with you. The best possible way to deal with fools such as yourself, would be just completely ignore you. You are not worth it Mr. DNA.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 30, 2008 at 08:27 PM
Pitbull owner, just wait and you better watch her the older she gets the worse she will be, and you said he bites her, not a good thing, you have got to be stupid to allow your child to do something like that, mark my word one of these days that dog will turn on one of your kids or you and then will you still get on here and defend your dog?
Posted by: college girl Location: calera on Aug 30, 2008 at 07:18 PM
Way to go Leroy. Its the cars fault I wrecked. Its the houses fault they burn down. Wonder who gets the fault of the Hurricanes. The ocean or the sky. Stereotyping dogs is rediculous. But dogs learn what they are taught. Same as people. People are not born homosexual. Child abusers arent born. They are taught. Mr Brown killing dog owners because of the dog attack is not the answer. Punish them. Banning a dog breed cause they are 'bad'? We gonna ban lions and tigers and bears 'oh my'. They r just as bad. And do not bother with sayin I need to be educated. Three yrs of college here and still going. Ignorance is...........half of the posts on here
Posted by: c Location: d on Aug 30, 2008 at 05:41 PM
Julia all I said is that pit bulls have it in their dna to be aggressive dogs. YOU are the one who has trouble staying on topic without getting personal.I just repoied with an opinion to your opinion. Talk about a closed, narrow mind...you go girl. I'll only eliminate the ones on my property, but know this: if ANY dog hurts me or my family, the dog won't be the only thing I take care of.
Posted by: Pitbull owner Location: sherman on Aug 30, 2008 at 03:26 PM
I have a pit and she's great I have a 3yr old and a 1yr old and sasha my pit is 3yrs old we got her when my oldest was born he picks her up, bites her, wrestles with her, both of my kids do, but my dog is great with my kids... Sasha if my kids are outside and do something wrong picks my youngest up by the diaper and brings them back...
Posted by: Dookey Location: Shermboro on Aug 30, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Mr. Brown, I can't believe you said you killed an owl! Why? Were you going to eat it? You do know that's illegal don't you? And what would you expect young carnivores to do with a bloody piece of meat when they are hungry? I find your points invalid and irresponsible. Now, continue on good people...
Posted by: educated Location: denison on Aug 29, 2008 at 11:23 PM
A pit-bull type dog. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull Hmmm. What do you guys think of this?
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 29, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Anonymous: If you were a wise person, you would be able to understand that judging all by the wrong doing of one is VERY OPPOSITE FROM BEING WISE.
Posted by: c Location: sherman on Aug 29, 2008 at 11:13 PM
to Ummmmmmmmmm. Did you know that APBT are not the most likely to bite? You did not did you? So I really want to know why it does not matter at all. People are wanting to blame a breed and ban a breed, but where is your proof? What does "pit bull type dog mean?" There is no such thing as a pit bull. So what is your definition of that? I do not understand why it is acceptable to ban a breed, that technically does not exist. The APBT would be banned, but they aren't even guilty of this crime you are accusing them of. Maybe you should ban a german shepherd or a Chow Chow, because those are the most likely pure bred animals to bite. Basically, you are trying to ban a mutt. Labrador retrievers are actually more likely to bite than an APBT. Why are you so unwilling to accept facts, and just use your uneducated opinion?
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM
C: Not everyone was as lucky as your ancestors. If you think you are getting under my skin so be it. But we are not talking about Jews or Germans. I used it as an example of prejudice against whole. As an educated and intelligent person (by your own words) you should have figured at least that part out. You do not need to put your children/grandchildren in a "potential" threat from a dog, but don't you claim that ALL of them is a threat. You may choose to do anything your tiny brain wishes to, but we the "responsible" pet owners, parents and friends will not let people such as yourself try to elimainate what we call wonderful dogs and family members. PS I am sorry you are having such a hard time staying on the topic and not getting personal.
Posted by: c Location: d on Aug 29, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Julia: You may can read, but you choose not to understand...YOU can't intimidate ME...Also, just because alcoholism tendencies run in my family, does NOT mean I'll be an alcoholic. I am a HUMAN who is able to make wise decisions-and act from them... NOT a CANINE that acts from instincts. I CHOOSE NOT TO DRINK, because I know exactly what the consequences "could" be...PITS have been bred for certain behaviors, and even though you may train them, love them, feed them, etc...they could just as surely turn on their owners as they could anyone else. I wouldn't own ANY animal that if it attacked ME, I couldn't KILL IT to protect myself.And there is NO WAY I would put my children/grandchildren in a "potential" threat from a dog. PS- Now I know where your anger is really coming from and why I'm REALLY getting under your skin...MY ANCESTORS CAME FROM GERMANY!!! They were lucky to be able to "CHOOSE" to come to America in 1910...before the Holocaust.
Posted by: BUTCH "DUBYA" HICKSON Location: THE STIX on Aug 29, 2008 at 09:14 PM
I strongly do not like dogs. This is my personal opinion. A lot of people love dogs and that is great for them & I dont have a problem with that. The problem I have is: DOG OWNERS WHO ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE AND ALLOW THEIR DOG TO ROAM LOOSE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD BARKING AND CHASING PEOPLE. I WILL DEFEND MYSELF BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY IF A DOG STARTS TO ATTACK ME. OWNERS; THAT ALLOW THEIR DOG TO ROAM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ATTACK, CHASE, BARK, AND DESTROY PROPERTY; ARE CRIMINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ummm on Aug 29, 2008 at 08:22 PM
Shocked, pot...kettle...black. FACT ..."The data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States .." www.dogbitelaw.com. I doubt any of the victims got a good enough look to see if they were full breeds or not...since it didn't matter at all...
Posted by: Sickened Location: Sherman on Aug 29, 2008 at 07:06 PM
I've posted follow-up comments twice now, and you, KXII, have chosen to omit them from this article. I guess wishing death upon an entire breed of animal is acceptable comments, but mine were somehow objectionable. It saddens me to see that whoever is screening these comments is free to let their personal bias dictate what is acceptable content. Others are free to threaten to shoot any pit bull they find in their neighborhood, but God forbid that I make a sarcastic remark about their malfunctioning firearm that they referenced in their own comments.
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 29, 2008 at 06:39 PM
Anonymous: what expect people to do is to look at the situation case by case and not blame the whole breed for what's been done by few. I am Jewish and some of my relatives spent many years in Holocaust. Come to think about it, I should start hating everyone who is German. Why not, so many people suffered because of them. If I were living in a box just like many of you do, that would be exactly the road I would take. Considering your comments based on empty phrases, it wouldn't be a bad idea to check your brain functioning abilities.
Posted by: Mr. Brown Location: Tishomingo on Aug 29, 2008 at 06:34 PM
When I was about 16 my father had a pit bull along with blue ticks, and black and tans, and he used them to hunt with. The pitbull hunted by sight. She had a litter of cute little pups. A lady and her daughters were talking about buying one of our horses and were looking at the pups and I came in from hunting and had a big owl. I threw the owl into the bed of hay with the pups and owl feathers flew everywhere and was torn to pieces by the cute little puppies razor sharp teeth. They decided not to pet them and of course my dad would have never gave them a pup anyways. I have owned 2 pit bull dogs since then and they were for protection. Sure you can pet them and they will wag their tail but let anything spook them and they will come to attention. My dogs never bit me or anybody else cause I am responsible with dogs and I let no one into their territory. If you think pit bull dogs wont bite your crazy. Never trust another persons dog, and lethal inject all biting dogs and their owners.
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 29, 2008 at 06:29 PM
I am sorry C from location D. I had no idea you can be intimidated that easily. Had you been educated, you would have known no threats were made toward Mr. Brown. Dear Mr. Brown acts as a potential murderer toward dogs and their owners, he is the one who is a threat. Also, I am a little confused. Since your family is full of alcoholics, according to you DNA testing background, you should realized that sooner or later you will become one. Dogs act on their knowledge from training. If a dog is not properly trained, not raised with love but fear and hunger, sure enough you will have fearful creature. I'd gladly look at the way you'd act if you were kept in dark cold closets without any food for weeks. I wonder how not scared of the world would be. Because of people like yourself who think that bullies were breed to kill and feel no pain, such abuse exists. Until all of you realize how untrue that is, we will keep on arguing about it with no end. THEY ARE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ANIMAL!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Sickened Location: Sherman on Aug 29, 2008 at 06:23 PM
Oh, the naivety! Now guns are dangerous and can misfire/malfunction. Further proof of ignorance. The only guns that "misfire" still require one key ingredient: a PERSON to pull the trigger. To claim otherwise is to prove your ignorance of the mechanical workings of a firearm. However, ignorance seems to be your forte since you insist that an entire breed should be judged on the behavior of a minority. I suppose that we should look at the statistics of crimes committed by people of a certain ethnic background, and decide to ban them from our communities for the safety of your children? I can just hear the disgust for such an idea, but yet your unwavering disregard for an entire breed of dog is acceptable? Psshh. How crazy of me to expect rational thought over knee-jerk reactions and liberty infringements. It's now the American way. Ban anything that you're scared of, freedom be damned! Just remember: be careful shooting those pits; Your gun might malfunction and take you, too.
Posted by: shocked Location: Sherman on Aug 29, 2008 at 05:59 PM
Yesterday I had a conversation with husband about how the most opinionated people are the most uneducated. Thank you for proving my point. The problem with our society today is people spout their opinions without really finding out facts. How many of you that hate "pit bulls" really know what a pit bull is? How many of you can tell the difference between a legitimate APBT and another breed? Can you tell if it is an American Staffordshire Terrier or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Why don't you all go to this website and see if you can pass the test? KXII, check this out before you refuse to post this. It is a valid point. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
Posted by: Big Mike Location: Denison on Aug 29, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Come to think of it.... Pit bulls are singled out because everyone is prejudiced against something - so let's all pick on one certain breed. Noone ever reports german shepard attacks or like last year in San Antonio, a man was killed by his chihuahua.....now who's the bully breed...? looks like its humans who are just afraid of their own shadows, to me.
Posted by: C Location: D on Aug 29, 2008 at 03:31 PM
Julia: You just made MY point about being educated when you started with the name-calling. No, I am not joking, I am educated with a background which includes genetics. Just like people may inherit the "tendencies" for certain behaviors from their parents, canines can AL SO inherit those "tendencies" towards certain behavior. We, as humans, have the ability to REASON and make judgements based on conclusions. Example: Even though my family has a LOT of alcoholics in it means I may inherit those same tendencies...the difference is: I MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO ACT ON THOSE TENDENCIES. Dogs will act instinctively. You also said,"NO dog will ever turn on its owners." What a FALSE statement!! Do some research! Also- sure sounds like you were on the verge of a THREAT to Mr. Brown- maybe it's YOU who should look out. OOOHHH... We're all so scared of what YOU might do...(NOT) Intimidation will get you nowhere...
Posted by: Leeroy Location: Sherman on Aug 29, 2008 at 03:29 PM
Pencils cause bad spelling!!! There is no one on this message board that will change my mind either!!! However, I can't blame all the bad spelling in some of these comments, on spelling. Now I'm really confused :(
Posted by: Sickened Location: Sherman on Aug 29, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Oh, the naivety! Now guns are dangerous and can misfire/malfunction. Further proof of ignorance. The only guns that "misfire" still require one key ingredient: a PERSON to pull the trigger. To claim otherwise is to prove your ignorance of the mechanical workings of a firearm. However, ignorance seems to be your forte since you insist that an entire breed should be judged on the behavior of a minority. I suppose that we should look at the statistics of crimes committed by people of a certain ethnic background, and decide to ban them from our communities for the safety of your children? I can just hear the disgust for such an idea, but yet your unwavering disregard for an entire breed of dog is acceptable? Psshh. How crazy of me to expect rational thought over knee-jerk reactions and liberty infringements. It's now the American way. Ban anything that you're scared of, freedom be damned! Just remember: be careful shooting those pits; Your gun might malfunction and take you, too.
Posted by: Thanks! Location: Texoma on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Case in point, Jennifer. You're comparing pits to guns. Both instruments of death and injury. Guns are dangerous. They also malfunction and misfire sometimes. They are dangerous in that they are in fact guns. Just like pits are dangerous because they are pits. If I see one in my neighborhood that threatens my family or my dog, I'm going to shoot it! I hope you all take joy in the fact that you make everyone else in the world uncomfortable by bringing your instruments of death out into the world. Defend them all you like- I'll never change my opinion. Every time I see a pit, I wish it - and all of them - were dead!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:36 PM
Julia, and those like her, are you serious ? Do you honestly expect us to ignore story after story about Pit Bulls maiming or killing another small child. Just on this message board, I can recall this same debate two other times in the past year. Are we to believe that only in Texoma these dog attacks happen ? The breed is a joke. ANYONE who promotes the breed should have their head examined.
Posted by: Reva50 Location: Ardmore on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:33 PM
Go to the website of the CDC (Center for Disease Control) and look up fatal dog attacks on humans. They did a 20 year study. The proof is that most fatal attacks are on small children. For 12 years of the 20 year study, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 1/3 of all fatal attacks on humans. For 4 years of the study, rottweilers were responsible for 1/2 of all fatal dog attacks on humans. Enough said.
Posted by: Jennifer Location: Bully Land on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:30 PM
There is a wave of incompetance sweeping the world that needs to be stopped. Although it is encouraging to see so many pro bully comments; it is equally heart breaking to see such ignorance about this wonderful breed. Saying that any dog is genetically disposed to attacking a human is the same as saying the people are gentically disposed to commit crimes because of the color of their skin. I am the proud owner of an amazing pit bull. I took the time to educate myself about her breed and temperment as soon as I got her. She has been such a blessing in my life because I am a responsible owner. Like everything else in the world people are always looking for someone else to blame. Americans need to start taking responsiblity for their own actions as well as the actions of their pets. When someone gets shot do we blame the gun or the person holding it?
Posted by: Opinionated Location: Ardmore on Aug 29, 2008 at 11:19 AM
You cannot change their breeding. Read the history of these dogs. Dobermans, Rottwiellers, Pits, and German Shepherds were bred for tracking, maiming, and/or killing humans and/or other animals. It is called genetics.
Posted by: Mr. Brown Location: Tishomingo on Aug 29, 2008 at 10:39 AM
I am so glad many people are agreeing with me and thinking it is the owners responsibility. Dont ban the whole breed or the responsible owners, register all dogs and lethal inject all vicious biting dogs and their owners. Then everybody can have all the sweet dogs they want and dog bites will go down. I think that is a great solution. Julia, I am being very considerate of myself and other vicious dog bite victims. I believe it is the bully dog owners that are not considerate of me and people in general. Keep your barking dogs and dog poop out of my sight. I do not have to suffer your dogs and people should not have to suffer your dogs. Keep your dogs away from people and keep your dogs poop out of other peoples property and we will get along just fine. You bully dog owners think it is ok to run over people and I for one am sick of it.
Posted by: Opinionated Location: Ardmore on Aug 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Sickened, what about those "responsible" owners that take good care of their pets? What's the excuse then? And animals aren't dumb. Sure, there are a few, but for the most part, they know exactly what they are doing. And why all the name calling? It makes it seem as if you of a low level of intelligence. That goes for all of you. The name calling and irate rants only make you seem unintelligent. Please try to carry on with some level of civility. It looks bad on all southern people when you act this way. For myself, if I find one in my yard, I'll call the animal control officer if I can, kill it if I have to.
Posted by: Carolyn Location: Abilene on Aug 29, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I have spent the last 15mins reading all the comments left. I am a pitbull lover. I have several well more than several. My oldest one of 12 years, did not get agressive even when he could not walk or move. He still licked and loved on my 6 yr old daughter. And my rescue did the same. All dogs bite. A german sheperd recently attacked my cousin and her son. The dog was chained for his whole life. Tore my cousins leg apart and now her son has a terrible scar on his face. This horrible incident did not make the news because it was a German Sheperd. The media is Racist. I think we as people need to look at the bigger issue like Barbara said let's not bandaid the problem on irresponisble ownership with banning a certain breed. Let's keep in mind with all domestic animals they can bite,even a 1500 lb horse can do damage.If we treat animals mean and cruel then they will not have learned love and therefore these discussion will be ongoing.People are the problem! It's a Society problem!!
Posted by: Sickened Location: Sherman on Aug 29, 2008 at 08:38 AM
You people wanting to ban an entire breed of dog because of irresponsible owners are the most un-American citizens of all. Our country was founded on the ideals that every person has unlimited liberty until they infringe on the rights of someone else. That means that you cannot ban a breed of dog for the actions of a few, you can only punish those that do harm. However, idiots such as yourselves don't care about the constant loss of personal freedom in our great country, you care about feel-good politics and THAT is why you are going to be the death of the USA. Instead of concerning yourselves with the crimes on a case-by-case basis, you want to ban pit bulls, ban guns, ban anything that you think is to blame besides a HUMAN. I paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." WAKE UP people. Learn to blame the PERSON, not the dumb animal or the inanimate object!
Posted by: Opinionated Location: Ardmore on Aug 29, 2008 at 07:15 AM
The only one's I've ever seen own pits are usually high school drop outs, low income, thugs, and bleeding hear liberals. You owners can't deny facts. And the facts are that these dogs are dangerous. Julia, "Big Mike", do you know the most famous interview words after a pit attack? "I never thought it would attack us. It was such a sweet dog. It never did anything like that before."
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:02 AM
Mr. Brown: this fight for our lovely bullies is so not over. You are very mistaken if you think you won't ever hear about another pit bull. As far as lethal injection, be carefull there mister, freedom of speech can only get you so far and these messages do get checked. I would be more considerate of yourslef if I were you.
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 29, 2008 at 01:55 AM
C: I am perfectly aware of what DNA is. Are you? I am not sure if you are joking or not, but you definately come around as a huge "joker".
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 29, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Hey Anonymous from Sherman, you are the one who is an IDIOT. No dog will ever turn on their owners, especially not APBT. I have lived with many of them until the day they passed and I am alive and well and am planning on staying that way until my pit bulls are in my life. The only people they might turn on to are idiots like yourself who come with the stories of untrainable and crazy pit bull dogs and their blood lines. As far as education, you moron, try books, it might help. Perhaps you will find out that American Pit Bull Terrier is one of the most loyal dogs out of all the breeds. And for your information, many of them enlighten the lives of elderly at hospice and children at the hospitals. I bet if I gave you a test to point out a pit bull breed from 23 different breeds, you wouldn't even be able to point it. Most likely, you do not even know what they look. All you know of is a square head characteristic and what you hear on the news. Think about who is an idiot here!!!!!
Posted by: Big Mike Location: Denison on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Its people who have such small minds and then try to think with em that piss me off. Like "Anonymous" a few posts back. Lets see how mean you get when you get abused, mistreated, starved, and trained to fight. I bet you'd go after a little helpless girl on a bike as it is. I've been working with dogs since i could walk. The Pit Bull Terrier is a very loyal, intelligent, and adaptable breed. They have loads of great uses such as hunting, guarding, tracking, but the best one i've ever seen was as a babysitter. The particular dog im referring to would gnaw its own head off before it would let the little girl, that it was raised by, come to any harm. Its not in the blood, its definitely in the training. The "in-the-blood" excuse is just a cop-out by animal haters and people who, shamefully, breed dogs for fighting. It is in this big man's opinion that you all need to stop and think and get REAL perspective before you go rambling on about what you have no personal knowledge of. P&L!
Posted by: C Location: D on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:50 PM
Julia: "apperantly" YOU need a little education beside the dog breed business. There were 3 mistakes in your first sentence. So, before you run your mouth about us "educated" people, bet a life- and a better education! YOU need to be a little more educated, because there ARE breeds that are more prone to aggressiveness due to the genetic makeup. You DO know what DNA is, don't you???
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:28 PM
Tiffany just make sure you keep them in New York because we do not want them here in TEXAS if that is really where you live, and yes all pit bulls are dangerous and the older they get the worse they will be
Posted by: Mr. Brown Location: Tishomingo on Aug 28, 2008 at 07:07 PM
No worries. We will never hear of another pit bull eating a person or another dog biting a person. Everybody relax. Since it is the owners fault and not the breed that is why I advocate lethal injection for both. If your sweet dogs dont bite you have nothing to worry about. But I think everybody will agree that if your sweet pit bull dog thinks your not part of the family they will bite you severely. Especially if the pit thinks your a threat. And when there are with a pack dogs watch out. Can everybody agree with this. If the justice system was not so corrupt, I believe in lethal injection of child predators. Does anyone think the justice system is not corrupt?
Posted by: Where it's at Location: NTexas on Aug 28, 2008 at 07:03 PM
Right on opinionated! You have my vote!
Posted by: Tiffany Location: LI, New York on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:51 PM
As a Pit Bull advocate, I am disgusted and outraged to know people think the entire breed is monstrous. I've raised these amazingly loving and intelligent animals all my life and they make wonderful pets. A few DO NOT speak for the whole and it is REDICULOUS to think so.
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:46 PM
You hear about the pit attacks more often because there are more of them. Don't make excuses. When my son has to stop running for sports because of fear for these dogs that have come after him before in the neighborhood it effects everyone.
Posted by: Barbara Location: Texas on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:41 PM
I am sorry to hear about dogs harming children but a chihuahua recently was put down for killing a 6 month old baby. The dogs fault????? NO!!!! OWNERS/HANDLERS of the dogs are at fault. BREED is not the problem OWNER/HANDLER PEOPLE are the problem. UK has had a ban for over 10 years dog mauling/bites did NOT go DOWN it is unfair/expensive/worthless and is promoted by lazy ignorant politicians. A bandaid on a problem rather than a cure.
Posted by: JB Location: Sherman on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:37 PM
I own 3 dogs and I have always kept them in the yard in a pen. Unfortunatly, one time all snuck out because they dug a hole I was not aware of. (problem since been taken care of) I try to be a responsible owner and make sure they have their heartworm meds, flea and tick drops, and rabies vaccinations. If they had bitten someone it is terrible for my daughter to live without her mother because I had to be put down by Mr. Brown
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Sherman on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:15 PM
NE location, I am sure the little kid made the puppy do something that caused this accident, but you cannot tell me that it is how these pits are raised, its in their blood line PERIOD! You need more education, I had friends of mine that owned pit bulls they never thought that they would ever turn on them and the older pit bulls got the worse they were and they bite the owner and he ended up shooting them, and please don't ask my why he was not about to give them to someone else and that it would happen to them, you idiots need to wake up on here and realize these type of dogs are dangerous, and like I have said before I see one on my property it is DEAD!!!
Posted by: rp Location: Calera on Aug 28, 2008 at 04:31 PM
To Mr. Brown- From the way it sounds you must be a mailman, lol. I don't know if your trying to be funny but you are.
Posted by: Mr. Brown Location: Tishomingo on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Tommy C. thanks for your questions. Yes if any dog bites a mailman I think the owner should get lethal injection. Why should the mail people be open game for stupid peoples dogs? Take care of your dogs and there are no problems. My way if you dont take care of your dogs the stupidity of the owners and dogs ends with one transgression. Simple and effective. In this situation flim flam means no good. And thanks for your vote, I am on my way to the white house. I wonder why it aint called the black house or red house or dog house, since people think more of their dogs than people? Do you know Tommy C?
Posted by: rp Location: Calera on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:24 PM
To Susan- Alright Susan you've made your point, I know that it is a lot by the way a dog is raised and treated and any dog can be made to be mean. Gee, after listening to your report I'm not sure if I want to walk in my neighborhood anymore. The people down the street have a poodle that can be a little aggressive at times. But I do still think that some breeds have more of a tendency to snap and attack. I'm sure that there are a lot of nice decent people that have pits that treat their dogs very well, but it also seems like there are a lot of thugs that like to think of themselves as bullies that have these dogs and I think they know people fear these dogs and that's why they have them, to intimidate people. I don't agree that owners of these dogs that attack should get a death sentence. If we are going to do that we need to start with child molesters! But I do believe they should be sternly punished!
Posted by: Julia Location: OH on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:01 PM
To all of you "educated" people who think you know American Pit Bull Terrier Breed apperantly your education is a lethal weapon against our society. EDUCATE yourself more since you DO NOT have enough facts or knowledge about this breed or the way to raise them. Unfortunately, there are more idiots in this world who think they know but the truth of it is if you think you KNOW you are the biggest idiot because you will never know unless you put your hands on something and find the true reality of it. American Pit Bull Terrier dog is the most loyal, one of the most intellegnet and well behaved dogs. There is no way I am defeding the action of two of them who hurt the little girl and a lady, but had they been raised right, that would have never happened. There is no such thing as some breeds are more prone to being aggressive than other breed. A dog is a dog, it's an animal who thrives to be and live with or near a human no matter what the breed it is. You better learn from them not judge.
Posted by: Susan Location: Pottsboro-the rest of my post on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:34 PM
multiple wounds to the chest, partial devourment • Victim 3: Massive head and neck injuries • Victim 4: Multiple bite wounds, dismemberment • Victim 5: Extensive scalp and neck injuries • Victim 6: Multiple lacerations of scalp and neck, depressed skull fracture • Victim 7: Exsanguination from multiple bite wounds • Victim 8: Skull fracture and severe bites to upper back and face • Victim 9: Multiple penetrating wounds to back and chest • Victim 10: Severe bite wounds to the head • Victim 11: Severe bites, massive bleeding, broken facial & neck bones • Victim 12: Massive head injuries • Victim 13: Severe, multiple penetrating injuries to head and neck • Victim 14: Massive bite injuries to lower extremities, dismemberment • Victim 15: Severe scalp, facial wounds, laceration of jugular Fifteen different breeds inflicted the fatal wounds listed above. The breeds were: • Siberian husky • Coonhound • Dachshund • Chow chow • Pit bull • Sheepdog-type dog • Malamute • Labrador Retriever • Chesapeake Bay Retriever • St. Bernard • German Shepherd dog • Wolfdog • Golden Retriever • Mixed breed (no discernable breed visible) • Rottweiler
Posted by: Linda Location: Ohio on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:37 PM
WOW!!!I have 4 American Pit Bull Terriers there is NO such thing as a PIT BULL. Yes some APBT are nasty but not all of them. I have a mixed breed and she will rip into my APBT and they will bow down to her. Its all in how you raise them and that goes for any dog. APBT are good dogs in the right hands. And for all you people that said something about guns...you are no better then the people that make APBT mean and nasty what if a child was walking and you shot and hit them you the shooter would be labeled the nasty ones. I have 6 kids and they all get along. We are not thugs and we do not do drugs we both have great paying jobs and a nice house and a great big yard. Don't say all APBT will hurt because they won't.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:20 PM
I just love the pit owners who come on here and say...."well, my dog has never snapped at anyone....my kids pull on their ears, etc..." Then one day, out of the blue, the dog snaps and mauls a three year old...these rednecks will never learn.
Posted by: Tommy C. Location: Sherman on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:14 PM
No Mr. Brown, we are NOT in agreement. I don't own a pit, nor will I in the future. However, I still think your statement concerning lethal injection is stupid. If someone's poodle bites the mailman, you want the owner executed? How about we vote you dummy of the year? And please, explain what a "flim flam" dog is. I think someone already gave your brain a lethal injection.
Posted by: NE Location: OK on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM
What about the Lab Puppy that killed a littler boy in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Did you hear about that. NO because the media didnt' put it all over the news because it was not a Pit Bull breed dog. You only hear the negative things about Pit's you never hear any of the good. Any dog can be mean it is all in how you raise them and treat them. Some of you people need to get an education when it comes to breeds. It is not about the type of dog it is but about the type of person that owns and trains the dog. Get a life people and go read about Pit Bulls before you make a HALF TRUTH judgement.
Posted by: Susan Location: Pottsboro on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:52 PM
ANY dog can be aggressive!! Do you think Banning Pits is the answer? Just like Banning Guns?? NO, it’s not that answer!!! The Bad and irresponsible people will still have them!!! And don’t be fooled…Labs have killed people! The first fatal attack in 2008 was a jack russell killing a baby!!!! Just keep in mind you don’t hear about all the other attacks and fatalities!!! When a lab or golden retriever kills someone, it doesn’t make the news!!! But the Pit Bulls will always be a head liner!!!!! http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/default.asp Below is a list of 15 different victims of a dog attack along with the description of the fatal wounds as listed on the autopsy report. Each victim was attacked and killed by a single dog. Each victim was killed by a different breed of dog (for a total of 15 different breeds*). Only one victim was killed by a Pit bull (or any type of bully breed). • Victim 1: Multiple penetrating wounds to the abdomen • Victim 2: Collapsed
Posted by: Mr. Brown Location: Tishomingo on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM
I really dont see why we cant all get together and put pressure on lawmakers to enact a law requiring all dogs be registered and if a dog bites a human like in this case the dog and its owner gets lethal injection. I think we all can agree on this even the owners of the good sweet harmless pit bull dogs owners. ONe way or the other the flim flam dogs and owners will be fewer and the people that should not have pit bull dogs and other terrifying biting dogs will be eventually eliminated. Are we all in agreement? Mr. Brown for president.
Posted by: Bonham resident on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:15 PM
to rp: It is obvious from Pit Owner's post of complete sentences and correctly spelled words that he is not uneducated. The misspelled word is obviously an overlooked typo. There are a few sentences in your posts that do not begin with a capital letter so it isn't very bright of you label someone as uneducated.
Posted by: Mary Location: Sherman on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Umm it's been on animal planet 3 times in the past week and a half.
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:13 AM
ANY dog runs towards me is DEAD!!
Posted by: SE Location: Bryan on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Why don't pit owners juat face the fact that some breeds are more aggressive than other breeds. Just like Labs are very laid back easy natured, Jack Russel are hyper and German Shepard are very protective. Like all the other traits dogs have, aggressiveness is a pit trait.
Posted by: Bonham resident on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:39 AM
Mary, Pit owner DID NOT state that he had watched the show, he DID state that it would be on the National Geographic channel on Sept 5. How could you have already watched it? Sept 5, 2008 has not happened yet. There was a very small piece on the rehab of the Michael Vick dogs on one of the Dallas channels a few days ago. You should have your story straight before you post.
Posted by: rp Location: Calera on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:30 AM
to pit owner- eighter? who needs the education? Gee!
Posted by: rp Location: Calera on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:26 AM
To Brittnay, Just wait and we'll see how confident you are in these dogs when yours ends up killing your child because that's probably what will happen. People that have these dogs around their children should be reported to the child protective services. Idiots!
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:35 PM
Pit Bulls Need to be killed and if I see one come on my property its DEAD!!!!!
Posted by: me Location: here on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:34 PM
JT: I DO know JACK...I live in the country and have had many dogs dumped on my property- over the years there have been 2 pitbulls...both were on my front porch when I arrived home. As I got out of my vehicle, they ran at me, baring their teeth and growling. I made it into the house, got my protection, then took care of the problems...I know WHY they were dumped- they were a threat...after they met ME, they were NO LONGER A THREAT!! I have a tiny poodle myself...just how much of a potential threat is SHE??? She doesn't even have the jaw crush power to make a bite hurt my little finger, much less do major damage to a child or adult... I AM educated and DO have enough sense to know that you can't take the instinct of pack mentality completely out of the dog...and that is what make them MORE LIKELY than other docile breeds to attack and hurt.
Posted by: a Location: ardmore on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:35 PM
Okay, I know there are pit bull lovers out there that think people are discriminating against these type of dogs. But there have been so many cases where children and adults have been bit or even worse killed. I think these dogs should be outlawed. Personally even if I did like these kind of dogs who would want to have a felony over them. Also if you have to put a beware of dog sign out. Or keep your dog constantly on a chain because of its behavior. You shouldn't have that dog anyway. I know all kinds bite dogs bite.But not as common as pits. Kids cant even play in there yards. People cant even ride a bike,walk,or check there mail. These dogs I believe are bred to fight. So I think they should outlaw them.
Posted by: Mary Location: Sherman on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:44 PM
Pit owner....if you saw the show why don't you tell everyone how surprised the people who came to rescue the pits were that they could be adopted out. They even stated that a lot of time that's just not the case. I saw the show and it did sing their praises of the breed but it did mention how dangerous they CAN be. ANY pit owner that will not admit that their dog has the potential of being dangerous has NO business owning one!
Posted by: JT Location: TX on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:59 PM
My first dog was a pit bull. She was dumped at my house; I would never have had a dog at all if not for her. She was the best dog I ever had, sweet as anything. She was great at agility, loved to cuddle, and even helped me save a kitten. My experience with her was profound and taught me a lot about stereotypes. The next dog we got was a pit bull mix; he saved me from a pack of attacking dogs (chows) and managed to do it without anyone getting hurt - a true peacemaker. There are a lot of commenters here that sound as uneducated as I was, eight years ago, before I ever really even knew what a "pit bull" was (other than the media monster). Go do a little research before you give ammo to all the thugs out there that get pleasure out of your fears. If you're making claims pit bulls are "more likely" to anything, you don't know jack, but you sure are fostering an environment where pit bull abuse and misuse thrives.
Posted by: pit owner Location: bonham on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:26 PM
My pit loves Mcdonalds and Sonic for that matter but he rides in the front. I don't mind if he is around me but I'm not going to force people to like them ,it's your choice. Their is a great show coming on National Geographic Sept 5th about Michael Vicks dogs.I NO WAY support fighting or agressive dogs.Out of 66 dogs taken from him 1 was put down for health reasons and 1 for being to agressive.That leaves 64 dogs that had been in a bad enviroment that showed no agression after they had been removed.The dogs have now been placed in homes and some are being used as hospice for the ederly.Some of you should educate yourself. Instead of concentrating on our dogs spend some time with your children and educate them.Wait that's not a good idea they might turn out ignorant like you and profile everyone together instead of educating themselves.PS. I don't like meth heads or trash eighter.We do agree on something.
Posted by: Brittnay Location: Sherman on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:25 PM
A good pit is a dead pit and only trashy meth heads own pit's?? Not true at all. You people obviously don't know the history behind these dogs. I own a pit bull and she is the sweetest most doscile dog ever, she lets the kids pull on her and drag her around and has NEVER snapped nor growled at anyone. She was attacked by another pit a few months ago and almost died because she would not defend her self and fight back. It's all in the way you raise your dogs ANY breed it's not just pit's and rot's. You people obviously have NO sense what-so-ever. Muzzled for what not all pit bulls are a threat.
Posted by: old school on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:28 PM
I agree with Momma~~the only good pit is a dead pit.
Posted by: Jennifer Location: hopkins county on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:23 PM
this is to opinionated I believe not just pits and rots ALL DOGS.....should be fenced in,if taking ur dog for a walk dog has to be on a leash. What u said about Pits and Rots it should be for ALL DAMN DOGS AND JUST PITS AND ROTS......
Posted by: why Location: here on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:15 PM
WHY DO YOU NEED A PIT BULL??? FOR PROTECTION??? I have protection- and I don't need a dog to protect me...My aim is straight and true. Dogs shouldn't be "trained"{ to be mean, attack, or kill. I don't care HOW they are raised, some breeds are more apt to turn on even their owners than others... Just research how many family members have been attacked by their own dogs- and did not provoke the attack.
Posted by: Jennifer Location: Hopkins County on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:51 PM
Pitbull is like any other dog. I've raised pitbulls for a longtime and never had a problem with them. But I dont raise pits to fight or attack. Hell, any dog will bit or attack just on how you raise them. And I'm glad that the dogs got put down. That Mr. Taylor trained his dogs to attack. I'm glad Ms. Pless is doing better. And I hope the little girl is doing well also..
Posted by: rp Location: calera on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:09 PM
to cj- and you can bet that when they let this idiot out of jail he will go out and get another pit. Someone wrote last week that it's always trashy or meth head people that have these dogs, I agree, at least everytime I see someone with one that's what they appear to be. leaving a pit in a truck at McDonalds like they have something that needs protecting- give me a break these thugs don't have anything but maybe drugs and a few food stamps!
Posted by: mamma Location: fannin on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:04 PM
just yesterday i was at mcdonalds in bonham and what did i see a pit in back of a truck parked with the owners in side we dare not get out a good pit is a dead pit
Posted by: cj Location: bonham on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:27 PM
The sheriffs dept. in fannin county had been called about Mr. Taylors pitbulls. He had let them run loose on our road numerous times. They had even killed two of my neighbors dogs . Its sad that someone was attacked before anything was done.
Posted by: ray Location: Oklahoma on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:51 AM
You know many communities have some very comprehensive laws regarding dog ownership. In some states not OK.either but in some states all dogs must be licensed and to obtain that license you have to show the animal has had a recent rabies vacination. Second all dogs are under a leash law not just city and town dogs but even dogs in rural areas if you do not have the dog under control by either a physical leash or under verbal control then the Owner can be fined and or the dog removed. I do not like the Rotts or Pit Bulls but I also recognize that any dog or dog(s) in pack situations act totally different from the pet you play with in your home. I have read here and other stories on KXII of people fearing that the rights of pet owners are being challanged, well you are only being asked to be a resposible pet owner.
Posted by: Opinionated for city council Location: oklahoma on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Opinionated makes perfect sense in their blog. Why dont the city officials make the people pay to have permits for these dogs. These dogs are dangerous weapons. As a conceal and carry person you have to pay $500.00 a year to carry a gun after taking numerous safety courses but anyone can own a pit or rot. Unreal!
Posted by: Jenn Location: OK on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Is the little girl okay?
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Dear Judy, Continued thoughts and prayers with you.
Posted by: Mr. Brown Location: Tishomingo on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM
My heart breaks reading this story. With all the crime we suffer and still we have to put up with dog bites. I say register all dogs and if a dog bites a human like in this story the dog and the owner gets lethal injection. If I ever witness another dog attack like this one I know I will be going to jail because I will kill the dog and beat the owner til I pass out from exhaustion.
Posted by: BOB Location: Savoy on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:51 AM
Well, I bet the guy from ohio will be back on. Talking about how great the dogs are. But no one cares
Posted by: Opinionated Location: Ardmore on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:25 AM
Ok leaders, you can ban them, but you can make life safer for your citizens. You can do that by making it almost impossible for these dogs to attack. 1. Owners of pits and rots must have a wooden fence at minimum of 6ft high. 2. There must be some sort of barrier beneath the fence at least 3ft underground. 3. If pits and rotts are brought out of fenced area, they must be muzzled, on a leash, and their nails trimmed as far back as humanely possible. 4. All pits and rotts must be registered with the city and county at a cost of $20 dollars ($10 per entity). 5. Pits and rotts may not be located within a 2 mile radius of a park, library, or school. 6. They may not be allowed to ride in a vehicle unless being taken to a vet, the pound or dog groomer. And they must have a written and signed statement from the vet or groomer. 7. A fine of not less than $1000 per animal and 5 days in jail for violations. 8. If the animal escapes, it will immediately be put to sleep. That should help.
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