Justice Dept. opposes Texas voter ID law

By: By: PETE YOST, Associated Press
By: By: PETE YOST, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department's civil rights division has objected to the new photo ID requirement for voters in Texas, saying many Hispanic voters lack state-issued identification.

The department says the state has failed to show that the newly enacted law has neither a discriminatory purpose nor effect.

In a letter to Texas officials, the Justice Department says Hispanic voters in Texas are as much as 120 percent more likely than non-Hispanic voters to lack a driver's license or personal state-issued photo ID.

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  • by Bea Location: Mayberry on Mar 28, 2012 at 08:45 AM
    This whole issue is an attack on minority groups in this country to hinder their voting. It will backfire, because it also attacks the elderly and the disabled, and the illiterate,who will be helped the more to achieve the proper credentials to vote.
  • by Hey Joey on Mar 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM
    Then why is it such a big deal then? The DPS is charged with verifying the documentation and the identity of the person and then issuing a photo ID. It is the photo that prevents fraud to make sure the person voting is the person they say they are. Again, how is having a photo discrimination. We have lost our minds in this country and Joey is a great example. This has nothing to do with birth control and it is the Obama administration spending our hard earned money over a photo ID that even the "expert" Joey says is easy for any minority to obtain. Even credit cards now use photos to prevent fraud. I guess Joey is from the old "vote early and vote often" school. Down in the valley, they have a lot of probems with dead people voting. I guess Joey is ok with that also. No need for photo id to verify - just invites fraud.
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      by Joey on Mar 23, 2012 at 09:04 PM in reply to Hey Joey
      Apparently you don't read what is written or you read things that aren't written. Not once did I mention discrimination. Others who oppose this photo ID thing may have, but I didn't. My point is and will be no matter how much prattle you offer to the debate, that presenting a valid voter registration card has served our nation well for a long, long time. Whether it's Vermont or the Valley, if election officials fail to do their job there remains the possibility of voter fraud even with a photo ID. Apparently, you must believe there is some vast conspiracy down in the Valley involving someone going around lifting voter registration cards from dead folks wallets so they can use those cards to vote. Aside from what you may have heard, and repeating same, exactly how many fraudulant votes were cast in this manner in the Valley during the last election? Take your time, and look it up, but use a reliable source, not some right wing nut job website. And you know what you will find? That the number is at most, insignificant. And if the authorities knew such votes were cast, why would they count them? Additionally, folks will still be able to cast absentee ballots without a Picture ID, so anyone wishing to vote fraudulantly or leaglly by bypassing the picture ID thing will still be able to do so. I mentioned the telling the boss about why you use birth control thing not because there is some connection between the photo ID and birth control, but because I find both to be rather silly. Nevertheless, it is the law, and anyone wishing to vote who doesn't have a photo ID had better start fishing through their files to find all the documents required to get one. Oh, and don't forget the $16.00. Thank goodness the government isn't requiring rich folk to pay an additional $16 in taxes, or there'd never be an end to the crying.
  • by Joey Location: Denison on Mar 20, 2012 at 09:30 AM
    Out of curiosity I called DPS to find out how I would go about getting a picture ID. To be sure I got it right, I asked for and reviewed the qualifications with the DPS rep three times. I was told I would need to provide: 1. A certified copy of my birth certificate, 2. My social security card. 3. A copy of a current utility bill. 4. A copy of a current W-2 OR....drum roll please....a copy of my voter registration card if it contains my current address. And 5. $16. I find it rather amusing that in order to get the document I will need (a picture ID)in order to be sure I am not voting illegally using someone elses voter registration card, I am required to present that card in order to get the ID! What is even more hilarious, all of the documents that must be presented in order to get the picture ID provide absolutely no verification (photo, physical description etc) that would verifiy I am in deed the person referred to on the birth certificate, SS card etc. Somehow I beleive there would be an exception made on the utility bill thing (for those who live in somone elses household), but I am sure whatever substitue that would be permitted would provide no more actual verification of my identity than a bogus SS card would provide. And "Documented" says the Obama administration is wasting our time and tax dollars on a non-issue?!? This is as silly as requiring a woman to tell her boss why she uses birth control.
  • by Documented on Mar 19, 2012 at 02:36 PM
    You are not required to have a driver's license. TDPS issues a state photo identification card. $6 if over 60. $16 under 60. Another example of the Obama adminstration wasting our time and tax dollars fighing a non-issue. A photo is a way to avoid voter fraud, regardless of the race of the card holder. And, if voting in an honest and properly regulated election is imporant to you, this is a small price to pay.
  • by Anonymous on Mar 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM
    So how does your mother prove her identify for check writing, paperwork for doctors, if she ever flew in a plane, applied for or had credti cards? And as for your remark "she's on an fixed income" WE'RE all on a fixed income! I get so tired of hearing that term used for only the elderly. Last time I checked my paycheck didn't spontaneously double or even raise a little from week to week. And the only way to change my income is to work, or get a second or third job. Everyone's on a fixed income. People what it comes down to is if you want to vote have a valid picture ID if you dont want to spend the money one time to get an ID you don't vote. That's your choice. This country has allowed people to feel entitled without doing their part. If I want a checking account, I have to have ID - if I want to fly in a plane, yep your guessed it, valid ID. I can choose to get an ID or I can do without. It's really amazing how pathetic the excuses are out there to follow simply rules.
  • by Mary Location: Sherman on Mar 18, 2012 at 08:38 PM
    My mother was born and raised right here in Texas. She is 70 and is now almost completely blind. She is on a very tight fixed income and I help the best I can but I have a family myself. She doesn't have a DL "Thank goodness" but she also doesn't have any other form of picture ID. Just for her to have enough food for the month I have to clip coupons for her and always comparison shop or she would end up going hungry....should she also not b able to vote as well!? People just don't understand what this means...she won't take a hand out, she wasn't raised that way and her pension only goes just so far!! Even if this is about the undocumented in this country it is also affecting a lot of others who have been here all their lives!!
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      by Craig on Mar 27, 2012 at 08:11 AM in reply to Mary
      Mary, I will pay the $6.00 fee to get your Mother an I.D. card if you will take her to the DMV to get it. I want her to be able to vote but I believe we need the photo I.D. cards.
  • by Joey Location: Denison on Mar 16, 2012 at 08:59 PM
    Oh please. This has little to do with "illegals" voting. While there will always be some remote exceptions, illegals don't vote. They don't vote because they cannot get themselves registerd to vote. It is an absolute lie to suggest that Democrats, or Obama, or Holder want illegals to vote. Presenting a voter registration card has served this country well for what, a century or two? There have been no studies, no investigations, nada, that suggest even one hundreth of one percent of votes cast are cast illegally, and there is even less evidence to suggest that presenting a second document would prevent voting by even those extremely few folks who manage to vote but shouldn't. Heck, gerrymandering has more to do with fixing elections than folks voting illegally. Officials who can't seem to do something as simple as counting ballots accurately or stuffing ballot boxes has had more of an impact on elections than folks showing up using someone elses registration card. Considering the absolutely deplorable turnout at our polls, there is no need to do anything that could result in lower participation. Actually, I'm somewhat surprised all of you government hating, stop interfering with my freedom types, would support an effort to make it more difficult to vote. Yea, yea, yea, I know that getting an ID for most of us isn't a big deal, but it is just an unnecessary hurdle. Furthermore, getting an illegal ID past a poll worker wouldn't be that tough anyway. Hey maybe we should do drug and alcohol testing at the polls.
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      by Anonymous on Mar 17, 2012 at 06:40 PM in reply to Joey
      I guess it's less important that a person prove he is eligible to vote than it is for them to prove they are eligible to buy a beer. Even Vermont realized this year that they needed to have a voter ID law when a reporter went to over a dozen polling places and was offered a ballot by using a dead voters name without ID. It's ridiculous. More needs to be done, as in South Texas where fraud is rampant. Especially in the area of absentee ballots where operatives do 'vote harvesting' getting others to fill out ballots as instructed and then turning them in as large bundles. That happens every year and there have been instances where votes cast and counted exceeded the number of registered voters. Republicans need to stick to their guns and stop being afraid of the favorite weapon of the left---accusation of racism.
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        by Joey on Mar 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM in reply to
        What are you talking about? Each and every time I have voted I have had to present my voter resistration card, and it seems everyone standing in line with me had to present theirs. Maybe the folks who run Vermonts elections don't do a very good job. If that poll worker didn't require a voter registration card be presented, they probably wouldn't have asked for the second ID either. BTW, this new law will not impact absentee voting. Or haven't you figured that out?
  • by Angela Location: Dallas on Mar 13, 2012 at 10:31 AM
    Just another example of people thinking they read something when that isn't what was printed. Nowhere in this little snippet does it mention illegal immigrants. Anyone here illegally can't vote, so the only problem I see is people's racist beliefs showing from under their hooded sheets. Not having a state issued ID does not equal illegal immigrant. There are people that only have one car due to their finances, stay at home Moms who don't drive, older people who haven't driven in years or don't have enough money to spend on getting an ID when they can use that for food or medicines.
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      by Anonymous on Mar 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM in reply to Angela
      If this isn't about illegals, then why are Hispanics less likely to have state ID according to the action by the Holder Justice Dept? They are the ones that made it about race. Do you really think that this law is designed to keep little old ladies from voting? This is designed to keep illegals from showing up at the polls as they have in several TX counties along the border where the votes cast outnumbered the entire roll of registered voters! Accuse some of racism, the cloak behind which the politically correct hides truth.
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      by Anonymous on Mar 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM in reply to Angela
      Angela, people who 'believe' like you are the main problem! You are a democrats dream girl! The article doesn't have to say "illegal" in it. The debate (and a very reasonable one at that) is the question of why would the US Attorney Joke Eric Holder do this all of a sudden? Also, you are half right - anyone here illegally is not supposed to vote, but these stupid, idiotic laws like this that will enable them to vote, vote for deceased people, vote for those who are too lazy to vote, etc. Just more and more government. You will change your tune when this dictatorship starts affecting YOU!
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      by high horse on Mar 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM in reply to Angela
      Of course this is about race politics. People without ID are more likely to vote Democrat and are also more likely to vote illegally. Saying it is onerous to require ID to vote is ridiculous to any fair minded citizen. What else can you do without an ID? Who doesn't already have an ID? You can't cash a check, open a bank account, apply for benefits, get on a bus, a plane, use a credit card.....but you can vote?! Guess who else just passed a voter ID law? New Hampshire! Why? Because a reporter went in and asked for a ballot at several polling stations using the names of dead voters and was offered a ballot every time! And you don't think Democrat operatives are desperate to keep a system like that alive and to use it as a bloody shirt when others try to clean it up?
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        by Joey on Mar 23, 2012 at 07:40 AM in reply to high horse
        You must look like a very suspicious person. I use a credit card all the time, and can't recall having to present a picture ID with it. That would especially apply to internet transactions. I have also ridden busses and trains without having to provide a picture ID. I have also legaly voted in numerous elections over the past several decades by presenting only a valid voter registration card. Apparently, the bozos in Vermont don't ask for voter registration cards! "Anonymous" asks why would Eric Holder do this all of a sudden? I suppose it is because all of these Republican dominated legislatures have passed these picture ID laws all of a sudden. And why have they done this all of a sudden, and not while one of their guys was in the white house? Well it is obvious, it is because we now have a black, muslim, Kenyan born commie President in the White House, and a bunch of illegally voting Mexicans in South Texas put him there! I am confident that if Obama is re-elected, High Horse, Anonymous, and the others will insist it was because the polls were infested by illegal voters because the the photo ID didn't include both full face AND profile shots, finger prints, and DNA certification. BTW, High Horse, your assertion that people who vote illegally are more likely to vote for a Democrat is blatantly false. As evidence, I give you Texas, where all those illegal voters who swarmed the polls in the last election, carried the state for McCain/Palin. BTW, anyone out there who doesn't want to go thru this picture ID thing can avoid it by voting absentee.
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          by Anonymous on Mar 23, 2012 at 06:49 PM in reply to Joey
          Vote fraud doesn't benefit mostly Dems? Then why are the Rep always the ones pushing to tighten up the rules and the Dems always fighting it?
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      by to Angela on Mar 13, 2012 at 01:26 PM in reply to Angela
      When is the last time a "stay at home mom" went to the doctor and didnt have to provide picture id when signing new patient paperwork? or opened a credit card account and didn't have to provide dl information or id information? or had to show valid picture ID when picking up their children from school to verify they were on the pick-up list? Even to qualify for state and federal aid valid id is required. When did an "older person" not have to show picture id to file or social security? cash a check? most department stores, movie theaters etc, even request dl or pic id to complete debit card/credit card purchases. I understand that you are defending illegal immigrants and the assumption that this is aimed at only those individuals. Bottom line - illegal or NOT - if you do not have a valid picture ID then don't stand in line in front of me, waste my time and election judges time and most importantly - MY TAX MONEY - trying to vote. that goes for stay at home moms, senior citizens, recent high school graduates - AND NON-CITIZENS. This means everyone you claim -can't afford an id, everyone who's lost their id, let it expire, moved and never updated, whatever the reason, whatever their age, race, sex, name, eye color, hair color and anything else anyone else wants to claim is unfair about requiring ID to vote. GET REAL
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      by Anonymous on Mar 16, 2012 at 06:25 AM in reply to Angela
      Angela, really courageous of you to use your real name instead of being anonymous. We all know who you are now!? Why do others jump to the conclusion that this is about Hispanics? Because it's TX and because that is the group that the Dems are desperate to get on their plantation where they keep all the other Dem base groups, convincing them that they are the only thing between them and starvation or lynchings by the mean old Conservatives. This is just another political ploy on the part of the most blatantly and disgustingly political Justice Dept in by 6 decades of observing.
  • by Anonymous on Mar 13, 2012 at 07:03 AM
    Hope and change, baby! Obama and his admin bring the 'change' they promised. Then you will 'hope' it stops!
  • by Anonymous on Mar 13, 2012 at 06:54 AM
    You can thank the corrupt democratic party for this unbelievable assault on the voters! Why do hispanics lack the proper ID??? Why can't they conform to the same rules we all had to and get the proper ID?? I think a lot of blacks fall into this category too and that has been stated early by the democrats but saying "hispanics" somehow gives it more credibility in their view. RIDICULOUS!! Why would they do this?? Hmmm. Let me think, who would hispanics be most likely to vote for? Oh yeah, democrats! Corruption TO THE MAX!!
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