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Posted: 11:05 AM Jul 30, 2008
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DENISON, TX---If you live in the city of Denison, your taxes could soon go up. At a meeting Tuesday night, the Denison School Board approved a rollback election to be held in October.

If voters approve the rollback election, property taxes would increase by an average by $80 to $85 dollars per year. That money would then go to the school district, and would also make Denison eligible for state funding---funding the district desperately needs. Right now the school district is operating with an $800,000 deficit, so Superintendent Dr. Henry Scott proposed the rollback election.

Dr. Scott said, "We've got to go out in the community and make them aware exactly where the money is going to be spent and show them the value in doing that."

If voters approve the rollback in October, the money generated will be used to pay for DISD’S increasing electric bill, new computers, and salary increases for teachers, to name a few.

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Posted by: Ed Location: Denison on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:21 PM
Fed up-If you move to Sherman your tax rate will be higher. They are proposing the same election that Denison is, but they are asking for a higher tax rate. Their current tax rate is higher than Denison's is now. Also the indoor facility at Denison High School was not paid for by one cent of tax dollars. It was paid by private funds not the school.

Posted by: M Location: Denison on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:53 AM
I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but I know that nearly all of our surrounding districts have had or planned to have this election. So far, Bonham is the only city that hasn't ratified it. I've been a homeowner in Denison for four years. Three years ago, my school tax was $1.49. It was cut the next year to $1.04. What the district is asking for is only $1.17. I'm no math teacher, but it seems to me like the district is asking for very little and far less than the state cap of $1.50. We teachers work hard for our kids, and if you don't believe it, visit one of our schools or check out the improvements we've made on the TAKS. We are happy to prove our hard work to anyone. Please, I'm asking you as a citizen, a taxpayer, and an educator of your children, be informed before you make assumptions. If you don't believe Denison is being fair, I invite you to check out the proposed tax increase plans of other districts across the state. I think you'll be surprised.

Posted by: Anon Location: Anon on Aug 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Hey, I'm one of those tenured teachers that went "South". I did want to. But, when you work year after year and see that there is never an even playing field in the district and it is not what you know - but, who you know - well, the pay increase down the road becomes more enticing. And, when you observe year after year of your classroom budget getting cut and no concern for the true needs of your students, the pay increase down the road becomes more appealing. And, when you drive past the DISD service center and see row after row of spanking new, gas guzzlin' suburbans or look up the salaries of so many administrators, the pay increase down South becomes hard to turn down. DISD Administration talks the talk - they just don't walk the walk. "Students are our primary concern." Sorry, I didn't see it. And, as a dedicated educator, I couldn't handle the needs of the students coming in so far behind Adminstrative wishes and salaries. Thanks for speaking up, David Carr!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Denison on Aug 11, 2008 at 11:39 PM
I won't be anonymous for long because I will be there for the election--NO!!!, is my vote. Like it has been mentioned before how much more do you expect for us to give? Dr. Scott I believe it's your turn to give (along with others)-give up some of your salary/job. You have already cost us & you won't get another dime from me. If taxes go up-then my family will move but not without a FIGHT first. What will You do if people start to move-then what? Have you thought about that. If there's a cut in kids then there will be cut for teacher's.

Posted by: David Carr Location: Denison on Aug 8, 2008 at 09:53 PM
As my comments to the board show, I am in favor of cutting non-classroom expenses and putting the savings into the classroom for things like teacher salaries, aides, materials & supplies, and equipment. Less than 30% of the increase will fund teacher increases. Almost as much ($500,000) will go to a new phone system which the district is misleadingly calling "technology". Can we afford $2000 for every teacher? I'm not sure, although if we can find cuts elsewhere, I'm all for it. I believe the money belongs in the classroom, not at the Bus Maintenance Center on Texoma Parkway or at DISD HQ. The question is "Are you man (or woman) enough to discuss it without mudslinging?"

Posted by: Proud DISD Parent on Aug 8, 2008 at 07:02 PM
My understanding is that the rollback is to match teacher salaries with those of similar districts. Though the sarcasm of 503 is a bit deep, the point is clear. If you have children in Denison ISD you know we have outstanding teachers and I would only hope that we continue to recruit and retain teachers that love to teach and rais their families here for generations to come. We could take advantage of their loyalty to stay when they know they could make thousands more by traveling to McKinney, Allen, Friscoe, or even Celina or Pottsboro, but should we?

Posted by: BF Location: NYC on Aug 8, 2008 at 06:46 PM
I have no idea why the Giant's QB is ringing in on this but he should be more worried about the new sheriff in town...How Favre off can Carr be?

Posted by: Concerned Location: Denison on Aug 8, 2008 at 06:21 AM
HELLO - we do live in a democracy and should be able to speak our views without getting being verbally assaulted! I admire David being able to voice his opinion publicly. consider the assumptions: 1. The tax increase is for the teachers to get raises. Is this the only way with 14 million in the bank? How much is going to the teachers? I think it's a percentage - possibly 40%. 2. teachers are leaving. A friend of mine applied. While very qualified, she did not get a job. There are NO job vacancies for teachers right now. There are more applicants than jobs. 3. More money is better. Well, I wanna Lexus, it's safer and faster. I better go tell my boss I need a raise.

Posted by: Tired Location: Spur 503 on Aug 7, 2008 at 03:57 PM
You guys are right. Let's shut down all of the schools in D.I.S.D. and have all of the parents teach the students at home. They don't need the teachers and that will give them a chance to get the jobs they really want in Sherman, Pottsboro, and McKinney. They don't really want to be here anyway and it shows since most only stay an average of 15 to 20 years.

Posted by: David Carr Location: Denison on Aug 7, 2008 at 01:10 PM
As Robert said, more personal attacks and an inability to specifically show what "lies" I am supposedly stating. All I see is mudslinging. By the way, for those of you who really want the facts, go look up what the Denison ISD Board of Trustees & Dr. Scott pay in school property taxes. Gordon Rutledge pays less than $35 per year in DISD property taxes on a house valued at $62,000. Dr. Scott pays $784.24 on a house valued at $180,000 with 66 acres of land. 3 board members and Dr. Scott have exemptions for being over 65 and their taxes won't go up. It's always easier to raise someone else's taxes.

Posted by: Erick Gent Location: Denison on Aug 4, 2008 at 02:09 PM
David will never give DISD a break. He has nothing better to do than to put down our school system. I guess he didn't do his homework about the other schools doing the rollback taxes, or the reason for that matter. He must have been babysitting when the facts came out. I have to agree with Anon: David's twisted point of view is NOT the facts. You have one citizen’s opinion on what he thinks the problems are. Everyone can find problems! David do you even have a kid in DISD or are they still going to a private school? I also agree it would be foolish to not take advantage of the matching State funds. If we didn’t, David would complain about that too! Keep up the good work DISD, you have my vote!

Posted by: Josh Location: Denison on Aug 3, 2008 at 02:02 PM
To get the State dollars we need to raise taxes. Every school ditrict is having to do the same thing. It would be foolish to leave the matching State funds. David get a life.

Posted by: fed up Location: denison on Aug 2, 2008 at 02:14 PM
Why don't they just come to my house and take the food off the table from my kids so they can get more footballs. I am going to have to move to sherman the taxes in denison are getting crazzy

Posted by: J. Location: Denison on Aug 2, 2008 at 01:18 PM
HELL NO!!!

Posted by: Robert Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:40 PM
And to top it off, if you don't believe there was a planned effort statewide to push these pay increases through, how about this quote from June 17, 2008 in the Amarillo Globe-News: "Officials in school districts across the state are trying to give pay increases to employees as much as possible, said Mary Barrett, asst. director of compensation for the Texas Assoc. of School Boards." Take a look if you think that is a lie. The URL is www.amarillo.com.

Posted by: Robert Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Or how about this: The 2006 Texas Special Session increased public education spending by almost $1.5 billion. Even when the state faced a $9.9 billion budget deficit in 2003, Texas increased funding for public education by $1.2 billion. During Rick Perry's tenure as Lieutenant Governor and Governor, funding for public education has grown by $7.1 billion - an increase of 26.5%. Growth in public school enrollment accounted for $3.25 billion (46%) of the funding, while the remaining $3.85 billion (54%) funded higher teacher salaries, improved classroom instruction, facilities and other school needs. For the 2002-2003, Texas schools received $10,400 per pupil. Total expenditures per pupil have increased by $1,900 or 24.7%, since the 1998-1999 school year. Or are these too "lies" Anonymous?

Posted by: Robert Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Another challenge: To those who say the funds will go to the classrooms and to providing education, I say prove it. And do so with this fact in mind: "Since 2000, public school revenues have grown 60 percent, even though the student population has grown only 15 percent." - Texans for Fiscal Responsibility ---- or is that a "lie" too?

Posted by: Robert Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:33 PM
I've a question for "Anonymous": Is that the type of critical thinking DISD teaches? Almost every post is a rational discussion of the issues. But not yours. You throw out personal attacks. I'm tempted to believe you are a DISD administrator or board member. Please indentify what information "David" has posted that is a "lie". I've looked through it carefully and seen nothing that is not clear fact or an opinion.

Posted by: Ralph Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Yea, Tom, 95% of our legislators will get re-elected, just because of their party affiliation, and laying claim to the ultimate political slogan, "I am the conservative candidate". Keep state taxes low, pass mandates on to localities, create a convoluted school funding system, and force localities to raise taxes. The Courts didn't cause this problem. Districts were funded "the same way" under the old plans, but the "wealthy" districts had an advantage (even under the so-called Robinhood plan). Obviously, they still have an advantage, otherwise they couldn't lure our teachers away with higher salary offers. The responsibility for school funding should lie with the State. The term "Independent School District" is just an illusion anyway. If we truly had an equalized PUBLIC system we wouldn't have tax rates that vary from district to district, and we wouldn't have to hold these silly and costly "rollback" elections.

Posted by: David Carr Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 09:39 PM
To answer one of the questions here, DISD has $14,321,004.63 in the bank. Plus a pretty valuable piece of property at US75 & FM84. I'm not sure if the link will work, but you can see the numbers for yourself at http://www.boardbook.org/apps/bbv2/temp/8146191A-E38B-078E-9CE37A90D756AB62.pdf

Posted by: ? on Aug 1, 2008 at 07:00 PM
Tom has obviously posted the most accurate, beneficial statement on this blog. Citizens, let's stand behind our youth, vote yes, then later we can all show up for school board elections since everyones so opinionated right now!

Posted by: Tom Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 04:47 PM
The State by rolling property taxes back to $1.06 valuation in response to a court order mandating that all school districts, regardless of size, be funded in the same manner has forced the DISD to seek a tax increase or risk losing a million dollars in State matching funds. This tax increase has been forced upon the DISD (& the SISD) by your elected officials in the state legislature. If you truly want a revamped system, vote for different legislators...& support small school consolidation to eliminate small, but expensive, districts across the State. DISD would be irresponsible if it did not elect to seek a valuation increase (up to $1.13) so as to become eligible to receive approximately a million add't dollars in State money. Taking the stance that the DISD can solve this fiscal crisis by merely cutting programs or staff or salaries is inaccurate & or misleading. Denison is already well below market in teacher pay, quality of facilities, & program availability.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 1, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Doesn't David have some babysitting to do?

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 1, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Interesting David, so are you accusing the Sherman ISD of misleading the public too? I am sorry but TRYING to be an active member in the community does not make you in the know.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 1, 2008 at 04:36 PM
No one is interested in David's lies. Get a job!

Posted by: Johnpaul Location: denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 01:47 PM
After veryone taliking i am also going to say no it sounds like the school has money already and they just miss use it

Posted by: David Carr Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 08:09 AM
DISD is attempting to mislead us when they say that rising fuel & utility costs are a primary reason why they must increase taxes. The information Dr. Scott presented shows that budget & utility costs are going up by $150,000 in 2008-09. Look carefully at where the rest of the $2.8 million (YOUR tax dollars) is going. Half a million is for a phone system. $1 million is for salary increases.

Posted by: Bill Location: denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 07:06 AM
Look i think they should cut cost in the sports dept to give the teachers a rais they are the bread and buter of our school but we do not need to rais taxes do to the fact they use all the money they should be spending in school on footballs.And that aint right. so for that i say NO!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ralph Location: Denison on Aug 1, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Just because some teachers have left for better pay offered by other schools to our south does not mean that the teachers who left are necessarily good teachers, nor does it mean their replacements won't be as good or better than those who left. Schools maintain a teacher job performance evaluation system that, for one, involves just a couple of classroom observations per year! Additionally, so many schools have adopted a "go along to get along" approach to job performance, AND a marked reluctance to take adverse action against those who perform poorly. It's difficult to justify firing poor performers, because such an inadequate evaluation system does not support adverse personnel action in those rare circumstances when it is attempted. So often poor performers benefit from this do no evil say no evil system that allows them to build up their resume so they can parlay that into better paying job elsewhere.

Posted by: Denison Teacher Location: Denison on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:04 PM
I truly hope that everyone voting against the tax increase knows that we are losing teachers yearly to the south. The best teachers are not staying/coming to Denison because the pay is so low. I understand that everyone is dealing with gas prices, food cost, etc. But don't you want the best for your children? Is $80 a year too much for better teachers, new computers, and much needed improvements to our buildings?

Posted by: Ralph Location: Denison on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:18 PM
I understand the math with respect to the foreseen budget shortfall for the coming year. However, I have heard DISD has $12-14 million held in reserve. While using some of that reserve would not bring in the additional state dollars that the tax increase would bring, it would appear the budget shortfall could be covered by using some of that $ in the reserve. Of course, I may be misinformed as to the extent of the reserve fund balance. However, using part of the reserve to meet our projected budget shortfall may be the best course of action at this time. In a year or two, the economy may improve, and the voters may be more receptive to raising taxes in order to get the enhanced funding from the state. Obviously, almost any proposed budget can be trimmed, and the Board should feel obligated to independently examine all expenses. This is difficult because the board relies almost exclusively upon the administartors recommendations on budget matters, including salaries and perks etc.

Posted by: taxpayer Location: Denison on Jul 31, 2008 at 05:09 PM
I firmly believe in educating our future and hate that a mere $15/mo. is giving me ill regards toward the DISD. Denison has a good district, with some fine educators. However, someone has to draw the line. Today's cost of living vs. salaries isn't what it was 5 years ago. I think voters should take this opportunity to say enough is enough. The DISD is capable of overcoming this deficit without the taxpayers. Maybe some good housekeeping(TERMINATIONS OF MANAGEMENT) is all they need. Just like any other entity with the wording "Denison"!

Posted by: Bill Location: denison on Jul 31, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Are you crazzy no way we need to cut cost lie the sports dept.

Posted by: Jim Location: Dennison on Jul 31, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Great job, Dr Scott. I appreciate the courageous leadership to put the students first. All of the rollback money is going to directly benefit the academic needs of kids.

Posted by: Bobby Location: sherman on Jul 31, 2008 at 07:01 AM
I will vote no for sure.They have to much money as is.

Posted by: Pat Location: denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 09:18 PM
somthing must be done about the school board they just think they can do what they want and get away with it it's time we all said NO. everyone has already said it the thing that needs to be cut is the sports dept i would cut more then just 10% but that me football is great i played but it does not take the place of the classroom ever school first play later. and not at the tax payers cost so say NO!!!!!!!

Posted by: Watcher Location: Denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Did everyone forget about Mr. Scott and his hand picked School Board purchasing the first piece of overpriced property at 91 and 84.... then not using it. THEN purchasing MORE land at 84 and 75... WHY... the school population, as with Denison, hasn't and won't change. I agree with other... cut the admin costs, I would suggest by first getting rid of Henry.. at 70 years old, he'd done enough damage.

Posted by: charles Location: denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 04:22 PM
i don't think the citizens of denison realize that we provide a s.u.v. for bob brown to drive with free gas!!!and also the same for dr.scott !!the same for the maint. director,same for maint. superviser, same for cust. sup. same for trans. manager!!!this is a lot of expense!!!start cutting some of this type stuff and you may not have to raise our property tax !!!when your sports budget is more than most budgets for your elem. schools something is wrong !!!any tax payer can go to the admin. and request to see this stuff it is public info. !!!!!

Posted by: Jon Location: Denison, Texas on Jul 30, 2008 at 02:35 PM
The taxpayers do not need a bigger property tax bill to go along with all the other increasing bills the taxpayers are facing these days like higher gas bills, higher electric bills all the taxpayrs are having to find ways to save money and cut costs in certain areas of their budget. the Denison school district needs to do the same and that is to cut cost on things that are not needed like sports, trips for the football games, cut salaries on the administrators. the teachers need the pay raise, not the administrators.- thanks.

Posted by: David Carr Location: Denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 01:37 PM
(part 3 of my comments last night) Won’t that represent a more true picture of the citizens’ wishes than having a low turnout election in October? Again, I encourage you to keep the tax rate at $1.04. Thank you.

Posted by: David Carr Location: Denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 01:36 PM
We are asking the DISD administration to do is the same thing we, the taxpayers, are doing with our personal finances – finding places to cut to cover increasing costs. If the future of school finance is unpredictable, it is only prudent that the board and administration take every step to ensure that the District is as financially fit and lean as possible before going to the taxpayers for more money. As you know, the board cannot raise taxes above $1.17 per hundred. You should cut expenses now, keep the rate the same, and keep those increases as an option for the uncertain future. And finally, if you do decide to call a rollback election, I encourage you to hold the election on November 4th along with the national elections. I’ve heard members of the board and administration say that you want the citizens to decide and that was the legislature’s intent. Turnout at an election on October 4th will be low. Many more citizens will vote on November 4th, only 30 days later. contd

Posted by: David Carr Location: Denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 01:34 PM
I ran for school board in 2006 (and lost) because I'm concerned about spending in DISD. Here are my comments from last night to the DISD board, which were not reported by KXII: My name is David Carr. I live at X in Denison. I have 3 points this evening. 1. The board should balance the 2008-2009 budget NOT by increasing taxes, BUT by directing the administration to cut 10% of the non-classroom budget. This would result in an expense reduction of over $1 million without raising taxes, giving the district a $250,000 surplus that could used to increase teacher salaries, all while leaving the tax rate at $1.04 per hundred. 2. There are several reasons why these budget cuts are necessary and prudent. a. The taxpayers of Denison are facing the same rising expenses that DISD is facing – increased fuel, utility, and grocery expenses. Those taxpayers do not need a bigger property tax bill to go along with all the other increasing bills we have. cont'd

Posted by: josh Location: denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM
They have been taking money for years and blowing it on sports and stuff take money from the sports dept and use it in the classroom thats the place it needs to be used anyway but with the gas prices $85 is a bunch of money to some people. whats more important sports or class work? JUST SAY NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Angela Location: Denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 12:26 PM
YES should be the obvious answer to this. Yes, we need a better quality of education in Denison and yes it will take a budget increase to do that. They are only talking 80-85 dollars increase per YEAR. Stop and think about how small that is compared to what we will get out of it - Better schools for our children. Isn't that worth it??

Posted by: George Location: Denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Lets save some money by cutting administrative staffs by 50%... and where do we find out how much all of Scotts staff makes- leaving out the teachers. How much for football coaches or basketball coaches? Just say no to new taxes!

Posted by: jeff Location: denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 12:16 PM
maybe its time to take a long look at the management at disd!!! i thought our motto was children first !!!!maybe its time tyo clean house at the admin. level !!!

Posted by: Sick-O-Taxes Location: denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 12:08 PM
good god how much do you want i am sick of this every year we want more money well i want more money and I aint got any. If they would quit spending money on football stuff they spent all that money on that indoor practice field that could have been more classrooms. They get a big NO from me.

Posted by: George Location: Denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I have to live within my budget. I see no difference for a school. I have not received a cost of living increase on my retirement checks in 4 yeras but yet the Public school system thinks we can give them one when they want it. I hear on the news where so Top Executives are taking pay cuts to help their companies-- How about it DR.--cut your paycheck

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 30, 2008 at 11:53 AM
I would have trouble granting more money to an educator who says "...where the money has been gonna be spent..." And judging from the grammar used on this forum, if these are products of DISD, then obviously the money has been poorly spent to date.

Posted by: DenTaxPayer Location: Denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 09:26 AM
NO NO NO... I pray that the voters in Denison give a resounding NO to a tax increase. DISD Superintendent Scott and the Board have wasted thousands upon thousands of dollars over their 'planned' high school and have bought land that was never used and bought MORE land that will probably never be used. Send them a message to stop wasting our money and start educating our children again.

Posted by: Ed Location: denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 08:59 AM
We need a new people in office this is crazy. I don't have a money tree out back. What are they thinking hey gas went down let rais the taxes that will show them. This city keeps running everything off like place to eat and ther aint anything to do in this town. O i am sorry you can stay in a hotel O boy what fun.

Posted by: Bill Location: denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Ok thats it i am sick of this town the Taxes are already high ther aint anything in this town i am going to get out anyone want to buy a house 3 bed 2 bath high taxes.

Posted by: denison parent Location: denison on Jul 30, 2008 at 06:47 AM
I'd be glad to see teachers recieving raises...however I'd like to know how to get ahold of records that show how much is spent on the athletics dept, vs education....is that public record?...