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911 system on the ballot again for Healdton Save Email Print
Posted: 5:44 PM Aug 21, 2008
Last Updated: 5:45 PM Aug 21, 2008
Reporter: Robin Beal
Email Address: robin.beal@kxii.com

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HEALDTON, Okla. -- It failed by a narrow margin last month. In November, a carter county town will try again. The aging 911 system in Healdton has been the center of discussion for months. On Wednesday night we learned the citizens will once again be asked to go to the polls to decide its future.

You may have heard the old saying, “If at first you don't succeed, try again.” For people in Healdton, a 911 issue on the ballot is becoming just as cliché.

The city of Healdton operates one of just three emergency 911 systems in the whole county. Theirs is the only one that is badly out of date.

The city of Ardmore maintains a 911 call center, as does Carter County. Almost half of those who voted July 29 in Healdton say they want to join Carter County's system.

Ultimately, the measure failed, and Healdton was left to maintain a costly, ageing system on its own.

On Wednesday night we learned, that will not be the end of it.

"Two of my council have actually volunteered to pay for this election because they don’t want to burden the city, and the city said ‘no’ the first time and to bring back up after it’s been to a vote of the people is a serious thing. It was not something they took lightly," Healdton city manager Sherri Adams said.

The city council voted to put it back on the November ballot for one more try. Two council members are even paying for the costs of that ballot out of their own pockets.

So how much does it cost to keep voting on the same thing?

The Carter County Election Board says Healdton is getting a bargain this year. They only have to pay $334.95 for having the ballots printed because they were having a primary anyway in July, and in November there will already be someone doing the legwork in Healdton precincts, too. It would be much more costly if the city were to hold a special election.

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Posted by: anonymous Location: ardmore on Sep 5, 2008 at 11:41 AM
take that tricksta!

Posted by: MY THOUGHTS Location: Healdton on Sep 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Amanda.. I dont think anyone rattled your chain. No one ever said that you were writing anything. I agree with MP. I never once thought of you. Actually, you never cross my mind. Get off your high horse thinking that everyone is out to get you!! I guess we at least all agree on one thing, regardless of how the friendships have ended up, and that is to get rid of the 911 system here in this town.

Posted by: MP Location: Not Healdton on Sep 3, 2008 at 05:13 PM
Whoa now amanda...collar that dog! I didnt see anywhere in this list of comments anyone stating "by god, i think someone named amanda is posting!" Check your sources before you jump in head first! I actually thought it was really Amber commenting if you must know, not that it really matters, but i didnt even think of you!

Posted by: Amanda Location: Edmond on Sep 3, 2008 at 01:00 PM
this is to MY THOUGHTS & MP. I heard that you guys are writing your last few comments about me thinking I am Amber, when I write a comment I put MY NAME!!!! I am not scared or care what the city of Healdton think of me, that includes the two of you (you two can talk!) No one done anything for me, I didnt ask anybody to do anything. The only one I admire out of there is Robocop, you knew he was out for himself! The city of healdtons 911 has nothing to do with who was in there, it has to do with who is in there now, and it is a bona fide joke.. I agree with you MATT!!! I think that the city needs to have the new system in there, but they need to get rid of the oeople running the town. Now that that has been said, good riddance to you and the city of Healdton, I have been slandered enough by the likes of them and you!!!

Posted by: My concerns on Sep 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM
To MP..The old chief did speak highly of you and so did some of the dispatchers and other officers that are no longer there. You were a good officer, along with a few others that were there at one time. The old chief was a good officer as well, I hated to see him go. I agree with tazz, all Ted done was slither around like a snake in the grass trying to weasel his way in. It worked. Now they have a wonderful new chief that is never around. Looks like the city manager got what she wanted. The old chief out and the New chief in. He is doing a oustanding job by the way!?!?! However, the 911 election coming up will hopefully pass this time, and maybe that will eliminate many of the problems with the Healdton PD. From what I am hearing on the streets, there has been a few more lawsuits brought against the city, so they may have no choice but to close it ALL down before long!

Posted by: tazz on Sep 1, 2008 at 02:12 AM
Yes Healdton has a Chief. She has an office upstairs and doubles as the city manager. Ted Montgomery has the title and thats all. As for MP, all i can say is that you were and are one of the best we had and the best we had working. The old Chief spoke very highly of you and the job you did. The other officers (Montomery)were to busy watching the old Chiefs every move in order to get the title. You are right the 911 issue has to be resolved. It is not fair for the citizens to keep paying for elections because council disagrees with the outcome. Good luck Healdton but I just dont think the leaders are gonna let you off easy on this one.

Posted by: anonymous on Aug 31, 2008 at 09:12 AM
chief? what chief? I didnt know healdton had a chief!

Posted by: MP Location: none on Aug 30, 2008 at 10:56 PM
I can honestly say thank you to the few of you who have made comments regarding me. Its easy to be blinded by so many people you work with or higher wanting you gone and not see the ones that recognize and actually do (did) appreciate your hard work and drive to make something out of nothing. Good luck to the citizens of healdton on the 911 system, either way.

Posted by: tazz on Aug 30, 2008 at 01:07 AM
To MP, I know what you mean about being crapped on. The new Chief was hired as an officer to begin with because the city refused to hire another officer because of "his past", or that's the reason they gave. But you are right that the city has to do something about the 911 system because of its age regardless of who is in charge. As for the comment regarding every officer wanting you gone, that is not true. I know of one cop who didn't but he got crapped on instead. I know what you and others did for the department to make it a decent place to work but politics got in the way. We all know that. The number one priority now should be getting the citizens the protection it needs one way or the other but the city leaders need to be fair about it. Raising water rates ain't gonna cut it but give it all some time. If you "weeble and wobble enough, they all fall down".

Posted by: MY THOUGHTS Location: HEALDTON on Aug 30, 2008 at 12:44 AM
WELL. I HAVE TO SAY...AMBER YOU ARE WRONG.. MP HAD MORE BACK BONE THAN ALOT OF PEOPLE UP THERE. WHAT IS SO SAD, IS THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO RUN OFF, OR THE ONES THAT LEFT ON THEIR OWN, WAS THE BEST ONES THEY HAD. AMBER YOUR BACK WAS COVERED MORE THAN YOU KNOW. YOU HAD A BIG TARGET ON YOUR BACK JUST LIKE THE REST OF US DID!!

Posted by: MP Location: out in the county on Aug 29, 2008 at 07:55 PM
Come on now amber, i knew the city manager, head dispatcher and every other officer there wanted me gone. I gave her props for pushing for a new 911 (if its even her). Dont EVER say i had no backbone, you have no idea what i did for you while you were there! And yes, i know i was crapped on there...TRUST ME! But that doesnt take away from the fact that the people in the town deserve a new 911 system, no matter where its coming from! I would say i appreciate you saying we had a good department while i was there, but im not sure the rest of the post isnt you "dissin" me!?

Posted by: Amber Location: Ratliff City on Aug 29, 2008 at 11:25 AM
To MP- I cannot believe you are backing the city manager on anything. You of all people should be the one of the many cussing her out. I being a former employee, have heard her diss you and try to get you fired a many times. I know also that she discriminated against you for the chief job. AND YOUR BACKING HER???? You must not have much of a backbone to back anyone....Healdton had a well operated apartment when you were there and before the new chief and his high heels and dcomb came in the picture. Healdton needs to wise up and clear everyone out including your GREAT CITY MANAGER.....

Posted by: tazz Location: not in healdton on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:17 AM
It seems that regardless of how we agree or disagree,It's time for the city to do away with the 911 system. An upgrade was given to the existing system 2 years ago and the system was so old that the upgrade almost did't happen. It cost the city 2 grand and still wasn't worth it because the 911 operators are not trained. So a few street names would be changed. I would rather place a life on a name change of a street that with an old outdated system that dispathers can't operate anyway. On the other hand it is unfair to hold an election that the people already decided. Which was to keep the current system. It's an unnecessary expense and the city complains enough about expenses anyway. For god sake you barley have emergency services such as a police department. Vote for the change and I bet you see a quicker response time. In addition you will see Healdton dispatch disappear in the near future cause council won't keep it either.

Posted by: MP Location: out in the county on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:15 PM
Ok, to MY THOUGHTS I also know who you are just by your posts, i say h@** yeah to you! I feel like APD is benefiting from you being employed there.Dont let these 70s rejects talk smack! I dont really have an opinion on the new 911 system, although i feel like healdton would benefit from it. Props to the city manager for pushing, and props to you for backing it up even though you work for APD. Healdton needs all the help they can get right now and if it means replacing the 911 system, so be it. After all even "superman" couldnt help healdton!

Posted by: I think Location: healdton on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:37 AM
getintheknow-- it WILL go to APD not COUNTY. County DOES NOT have a 911 line. APD dispatches SOAS to all the county and Eastern Jefferson Co. County DOES dispatch the rural first responders when notified except for Healdton, because they are in their own little world.

Posted by: getintheknow Location: healdton on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:23 AM
Ok more than one person on here doesn't know what they are talking about, as I understand it all calls will be routed to COUNTY not APD, and there are only a few of the street names that will change. ONE other thing people if the system breaks now that we have there ARE NOT parts to fix it.... YES you have read that right you can not buy parts to fix it. (it is that old) If you want to make a statement at least type the truth!

Posted by: MY THOUGHTS Location: HEALDTON on Aug 25, 2008 at 09:23 PM
well.. to what a joke.. I guess you dont know the facts either... This coud go on and on.. But we will see what happens...Neither of you are worth wasting my time. I just think Healdton needs to do what is best for the city, and let someone have it that knows what is going on, and is CAPABLE of doing the job. As for YOU and my thoughts NOW, I know exactly who the both of you are, and I can honestly say, YOU BOTH are not worth the time it takes me to type. I know how you are and what you are about, and stirring trouble is right up both of your alleys...And by the way, IF I dont last long at Ardmore, that is ok, because I still know the dispatchers there are CAPABLE of doing a wonderful job!!!

Posted by: Healdton Mom Location: Healdton on Aug 25, 2008 at 02:27 PM
To "I Can Prove It" You haven't proved anything to me!! If we had the updatd system, it would not have to be rerouted SO many times and the appropriate people would know where to go! If it were my child, parent, grandparent or anyone elses for that matter waiting on that ambulance, EVERY SECOND COUNTS!! Do not begin to assume that just because we have a system, we are OK!! Read before you speak next time! I never said it needed to go to county and I said we DID NEED a new system!! We all need to be on the same system to be able to work together in saving lives! And just because it didn't pass the last time (barely) doesn't mean we won't get back out there and vote again to make it happen! I don't even like the council men, but I will pat them on the back next time I see them and thank them for stepping up to the plate and TRYING to make our small town better!! As for the police officers, everyone around knows we get the rejects!! We can only HOPE they know the city streets!

Posted by: what a joke Location: Wilson on Aug 25, 2008 at 02:01 PM
This goes out the my thoughts NOW.. ahahha are you for real?? i just loved your comment back on my thoughts. i guess my thoughts did not think anyone would figure her out. she wont last long at APD either. i hear she like s to run back ground checks on people she knows.

Posted by: MY THOUGHTS Location: HEALDTON on Aug 24, 2008 at 11:37 PM
TO MY THOUGHTS NOW...Ok, you are right about some things, but you proved JUST HOW MUCH you DO KNOW to be FACT. There are things you said in your comment that are simply not true.. So DO NOT put words on here that you DO NOT KNOW ARE FACTS!! The things I have spoken of, are things I have seen and know to be true, after all, you are right about TWO THINGS, me being familiar with Healdton, and the place I work now, other than that... NONE OF YOUR STATEMENTS ARE RIGHT. GET YOUR STORIES CORRECT BEFORE RUNNING YOUR HEAD!! I do not need to speak for the other dispatchers, they have ENOUGH intelligence to DO THE JOB! They have some of the best qualified dispatchers around, so dont go knocking them!!

Posted by: i think Location: Healdton on Aug 24, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Disgusted, where do you live in Carter County? The E911 covers Eastern Jefferson county because they are served by SOAS. When they call 911, it goes to Ardmore.

Posted by: I think Location: Healdton on Aug 24, 2008 at 04:36 PM
"My thoughts now". Obviously you don't have a thought. you are just stirring trouble with your comments. Do you have any proof at all that anyone has been put on the back burner because of something happening in Ardmore??? If you've seen it happen, as you say, bring some specific incidents to the table and quit blustering. People like you are what causes problems in these situations, always thinking you are getting the short end of the stick. May be because you only offer the short end of the stick and expect everyone to cater to you!!!

Posted by: disgusted Location: rural healdton on Aug 23, 2008 at 02:41 PM
At least you people have a 911 system that goes where its supposed to. When I dial 911 it goes to Jefferson County! I LIVE IN CARTER COUNTY! Ive gone to this so called E911 office to get it fixed, so far since E911 took over several years ago, my calls still go to Jefferson County, they find out where it is and tell me to call the Carter County Sheriff's Department...waste of time if you ask me. So you people complaining about an out dated system in Healdton, try being the people whos calls to to another county!

Posted by: whatever on Aug 23, 2008 at 02:36 PM
Ok, so KXII blocks all my responses. So i guess i hafta try to get in this way, i think its sad that if something doesnt pass, the city can force it on people until its voted through.

Posted by: My thoughts now Location: Healdton on Aug 23, 2008 at 12:44 PM
To MY THOUGHTS: Just because you work for APD as a dispatcher and your mother works for SOAS doesnt mean you know more about how well APD will do at controlling emergencies in healdton. If by chance someone calls in an emergency but they are visiting and dont know the address or street name, all they can give is a name or general location. You might be able to know where it is by name due to your healdton pd experience, but can you speak for the rest of the APD dispatchers? What happens when a crisis happens in ardmore, and a crisis happens in healdton at the same time, DONT YOU THINK FOR A SECOND THAT HEALDTON WONT BE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER! Ive seen this happen before! But, we do agree on one thing, if healdton doesnt have an officer on duty due to financial reasons thats their problem. Maybe they can call Wilson PD to respond for them! Or they can just get a new chief that doesnt live across the county!

Posted by: truth hurts Location: healdton on Aug 23, 2008 at 03:06 AM
I have truly seen it all. The council didn't get the outcome they wanted the first time so the citizens will be asked to vote again on the E911 system. And now two councilman will pay for it? I don't believe that at all. We will flip the bill for an election that has already been decided by the people. And now you want us, the people, to vote again on a system we have agreed to keep? That is so wrong to place that kind of burden on us. We have already spoken and your asking us to do it again because you disagree with the people? What happen to a democracy created by the people and for the people? You the councilmen are doing the people a diservice because you disagree with our decision and that is wrong. Just maybe the E911 system is to be kept and we, the people, vote YOU THE COUNCIL out instead.

Posted by: MY THOUGHTS Location: HEALDTON on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:25 PM
TO I CAN PROVE IT.1. THE APD DISPATCH IS FAMILIAR WITH THE TOWN,STREETS,AND PEOPLE.2.THE CALL WILL GO STRAIGHT TO APD ,FROM THERE,APD DISPATCHES SOAS,WHILE THE OTHER APD DISPATCHER(WE HAVE 2 OR 3 ON DUTY AT ALL TIMES) IS CALLING HPD TO GET FIRST RESPONDERS ENROUTE!3.WHEN HPD GETS A CALL NOW,THEY HAVE TO GET THE INFO,CALL APD FOR SOAS,THEN TONE OUT FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEN TRY TO WAKE UP THEIR OFFICERS! IF IT COMES STRAIGHT TO APD,APD CAN GET THE CORRECT AND ALL THE INFO,TONE SOAS,THEN CALL HPD FOR FIRST RESPONDERS. ACTUALLY IT WILL SAVE TIME GOING THROUGH APD. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, EVEN IF APD IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TOWN AND STREETS, WE HAVE A UPDATED MAP THAT WILL SHOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE, UNLIKE WHAT HPD HAS. AS FAR AS HPD OFFICERS GETTING OUT OF BED AND TRYING TO TAKE DIRECTIONS, WELL...THAT IS NOT APD'S PROBLEM!!!

Posted by: I think Location: Healdton on Aug 22, 2008 at 08:42 PM
The reason it was such a fiasco in Wilson is because the people would NOT put their new addresses on their houses and when they would call in for emergency help they would give their OLD address which was not on the county map, therefore it could not be found but the brain dead there would not give the correct addresses. When the change has been made, you HAVE to go with it, you can't keep your head in the sand and ignore it!!! And, JUST SAD, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. When you call 911 it goes directly to the dispatcher that will dispatch ambulance, fire, police, first responders from one office, one radio, so you have your head up your butt and the comment about Burger King is completely uncalled for, even medics have to eat. I hope if you ever need help you don't have the audacity to call for these medics that you have blatantly slammed....

Posted by: Been There Location: Ardmore on Aug 22, 2008 at 06:31 PM
When our 911 was implemented my street name changed, although no other streets in the county bore the same name. The result was a nightmare, missed mail, expense for driver's license changes, etc. Please be very careful that the inept and brain dead aren't in charge of renaming your streets should this issue pass.

Posted by: anonymous Location: county on Aug 22, 2008 at 06:13 PM
Its to bad we cant just re-vote every time we dont like the outcome of an election! This is beginning to sound like the Ardmore super elementary school ballot or whatever it was called that was voted on way to many times! Wow, the coucilmen are out 300 whole dollars! I guess thats why that one works for the city and is on the council, i bet hes the one behind this second election!

Posted by: I can prove it on Aug 22, 2008 at 06:10 PM
To "Healdton Mom" I have working in law enforcement for close to 7 years. I have seen Carter County's 911 system, APD's 911 system and Healdton's 911 system. YES Healdton has an aging and outdated system...but they do have one. If these calls go from a healdton residence to ardmore or carter county, the dispatcher first has to take the information, and i bet they dont know crap about healdton streets, people or areas of town, then they must call the healdton pd or ambulance and try to relay the message. Then the officer on duty (if there is one) must get out of bed and try to follow the directions and figure out the problems that have now gone through at least 3 people and at least 2 to 3 phone calls. See where you are losing time? Sure healdton has an old 911 system, but at least they do have one! The problem isnt that they need to go to county, they need to upgrade their system and get some police officers that patrol and know what they are doing!

Posted by: Healdton Mom Location: Healdton on Aug 22, 2008 at 02:45 PM
I for one will be there voting FOR it!! As will all my family member. I am tired of Healdton being the "backwoods" place to go. As for the cell tower, they DO need to quit living in the past!! Some of these young people need to step up to the plate and show the old folks how its done in this day and time. I don't see ANY of the citizens being "blackmailed" into voting for the E911. I cannot see how it wouldn't improve service, you would have to prove that statement to me and you can't! I have seen that system and it is so outdated I am not sure how the Ambulance service even knows where its coming from. I see ambulances on the highways all over the place INCLUDING Healdton at all times of the day. Just because they are located in Ardmore doesn't mean thats where they are sitting all day long. Just how old are you "Just Sad"???

Posted by: Just Sad Location: Healdton on Aug 22, 2008 at 12:26 PM
No one wants the fiasco that happened with Ardmore and Wilson. As for the cell tower that was the City Councils undoing, they think this is "Mayberry". I think it's a shame that the citizens are being blackmailed (see Aug. 21st Healdton Herald)to vote in E911, it won't improve service it will take longer to go through 2 dispatach centers. Then the ambulance will probably be at Burger King in Ardmore.

Posted by: sue Location: healdton on Aug 22, 2008 at 09:30 AM
They don't want their street signs to change is what I heard. They also voted against putting a cell tower up so you can have service. What a joke of a town; it's time to move forward ppl and quit living in the past!

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 at 10:05 PM
This should have never been turned down, if a family member dies and it is due to the outdated system they have nobody to blame but theirself or they just dont care about the family member that just died. It takes a updated 911 system to have a better responce time.

Posted by: MY THOUGHTS Location: HEALDTON on Aug 21, 2008 at 07:14 PM
WELL...WE ALL KNOW THAT IT WILL NOT PASS AGAIN!!! TOM MCNEIL DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE TO CHANGE HIS BUSINESS CARDS!!! REGARDLESS WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY! WAY TO GO TOM!

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